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Old 02-18-2012, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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And do tell us, please, what is supposed to be so damned wrong, unjust, unfair, and immoral about being expected to give money to a labor union, if it has successfully worked hard in providing you higher pay and better benefits than found in an equivalent, but NON unionized workplace? Once again, if you deeply resent conditions like those found in a unionized workplace, then don't be dumb and foolish enough to join it.
it is immoral to give money to unions so that they then go and give it to their cronies the democrats. for that sole reason unions should be abolish destroy!! they are political no more about the little guy!!
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Old 02-18-2012, 05:47 AM
 
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Right to work was originated in thoe religious bastions whose members objected to having part of their pay deducted for things they deemed against their religious tenets. It morphed into the movement it's now become as the anti-union battle cry.

Things unions have done to bring this about have been to have national or multi-national headquarters dictate policy when it comes to collective bargaining while not having a personal footprint in the locale they're setting or dictating policy within.

They also arrived at the conclusion that if corporations could contribute and effectively shape policy through purchasing party affiliations and allegiance that they aslo should form PAC's and begin throwing money around like drunken sailors while forgetting who and where that money came from.

Unions have a place but it should be a more structured and restricted place to defining work rules within the workplace and collective bargaining rights confined to the individual locations that are organized; ergo; get rid of the head office dictating policy and terms of bargaining for some local out in the boonies that has a very good working relationship with the company, local heirarchy and rank and file members all respecting each other.

This stuff like the UAW Executive Board selecting a car company to affect a "pattern settlement" and sending bucket loads of cash to the political party picked by them, is simply out of order and actually contrary to ethical behaviour dictated by their very constitutions as sworn to be upheld by every inducted officer and member.

If every union member took the time to read the constitution of their organization and then actively worked to see that governing boards upheld it in every aspect; you would find that unions would de-volve back to their primary intended purpose of acting as committees within individual locales to "negotiate" and represent only those individual members whose welfare is directly affected by that particular collective agreement.

I absolutely detest the prevailing concept of officials being parachuted into a local's collective agreement talks with an intent to "take over" or "dictate" terms to both the local and company officers that will set prescedent or ultimately place undue hardship on that operation for the sole purpose of benefitting the Executive Boards abilities elsewhere.

Take unions back to their original reasons-d-etra and keep them relevant. Leave them status-quo and watch them overdose on steroids to their own demise.

Yes; I was a union member, executive officer for over 35 years and also an industrial relations officer of a large corporation for another ten.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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So, you have a problem with paying the unionized highway worker who maintains your roads $40,000 per year? Do you also have a problem with paying the revolving-door corporate bureaucrat hired by the government to regulate the business he came from $100,000 per year?
Highway workers are in the minority as are cops and firefighters. I have no problem paying people who do those jobs decent salaries. $40,000 is cheap for someone who may need to be out at odd hours and times in a blizzard. Of course they do get overtime if they have to plow or sand on a holiday. Most of the state employees are either teachers (VT spends about $17,000/pupil, the higest in the country) or in social services, coaching deadbeats on how to game the system. I'm not kidding,VT is the worst when it comes to social service workers egging people on to apply for welfare assistance, fuel assistance, WIC etc. We have high income limits so an amazing number of people are eligible for public help. Do we really need an army of social service workers getting paid big bucks to help welfare pros suck out even MORE from the system? I think not. Then we have the environmental police and an army of tax and labor bureacrats whoaw job is to harass businesses. If at least half of them had their jobs eliminated and we would be much better off.

And as for the revolving door bureaucrat, YES I have a problem with that.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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How does a right-to-work law benefit workers?

It doesn't in any way,shape,form or fashion...it benefits scab construction companies and the like.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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How does a right-to-work law benefit workers?

It doesn't in any way,shape,form or fashion...it benefits scab construction companies and the like.
scabs the best people to work with, because they want to work not milk an eight hr shift!!!
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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scabs the best people to work with, because they want to work not milk an eight hr shift!!!
LMAO...unskilled,drunken,unsafe,dopeheads etc etc.

Yeah,keep dreaming.
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Highway workers are in the minority as are cops and firefighters. I have no problem paying people who do those jobs decent salaries. $40,000 is cheap for someone who may need to be out at odd hours and times in a blizzard. Of course they do get overtime if they have to plow or sand on a holiday. Most of the state employees are either teachers (VT spends about $17,000/pupil, the higest in the country) or in social services, coaching deadbeats on how to game the system. I'm not kidding,VT is the worst when it comes to social service workers egging people on to apply for welfare assistance, fuel assistance, WIC etc. We have high income limits so an amazing number of people are eligible for public help. Do we really need an army of social service workers getting paid big bucks to help welfare pros suck out even MORE from the system? I think not. Then we have the environmental police and an army of tax and labor bureacrats whoaw job is to harass businesses. If at least half of them had their jobs eliminated and we would be much better off.

And as for the revolving door bureaucrat, YES I have a problem with that.

Ok, I get it. It's not ALL public union employees, just those who do a job you happen to think is necessary, right? After all, we don't NEED to pay for teachers or "bureaucrats" who make sure everyone pays their fair share of taxes or catches industrial polluters.

Society would be much better off if we had more kids in each classroom, greedy folks cheating on their taxes and industries pouring arsenic into our rivers.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs
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LMAO...unskilled,drunken,unsafe,dopeheads etc etc.

Yeah,keep dreaming.
Yes, paying union dues suddenly makes you a highly skilled, sober, and safe worker. Get real. A workers skill has nothing to do with a union. The main problem with unions is they convince workers they are more valuable than they really are, creating higher salaries and thus, higher cost of goods for the consumer. Your statement may hold some truth in a union inundated area, but in a RTW state, it is far from accurate.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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LMAO...unskilled,drunken,unsafe,dopeheads etc etc.

Yeah,keep dreaming.
yea detriot michigan pot smoking auto worker drinking on the job!! no wait they union worker. they were union worker! union worker!! pass the peace pipe!!!
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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yea detriot michigan pot smoking auto worker drinking on the job!! no wait they union worker. they were union worker! union worker!! pass the peace pipe!!!
That was a TEAbagger rally and you know it.
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