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Old 02-18-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
But they were BORN with allegiance to Great Britain. If one is BORN with allegiance to a particular country how could that allegiance be transferred by a piece of paper?

It's in the genes, is it not???????
Again, why do you think the founders established the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1?

 
Old 02-18-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Again, why do you think the founders established the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1?

How did that prevent foreign genes from affecting their national loyalty?

And, what about Pulaski and Baron von Steuben and Lafayette? Did they have non-Polish, German or French blood which kept them from being loyal to their home countries?
 
Old 02-18-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Again, why do you think the founders established the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1?
Because they felt it unwise for the United States to have no president until 1811.

That's how long it would take for the first natural born US citizen to reach 35 years of age.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Sigh...yet another dumb birther thread.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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It's the birthers' new "one drop" rule - one drop of foreigner's blood, and you're a lesser American (or un-American).
The *** is up...Obama is an alien from space. He was sent here to pollute the planet's air, water and soil by favoring the corporate culprits. He will make certain that distant nations get the bulk of our manufacturing business and jobs. He will start wars by illegally invading sovereign nations. He will proceed to decimate the middle class by taking away worker's rights and bargaining power until their voices are drowned out by the bottom line of corporate cronies. He will single handedly manipulate the Wall Street banksters to successfully pull off the biggest heist in American history. He will deregulate all industry and government agencies so that they in turn can destroy, pollute, steal and profit.

There you have it. It's all his fault and he took away the Utopia that we have become accustomed to before his alien agenda took root.

Oh yeah, his alien wife will trick kids into becoming fat and diabetic knowing full well that her "get fit" agenda will backfire and parents will have their kids do just the opposite of her advice and suggestions.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Well, this is good news to us Canadians. Since Obama really is not an American maybe he will give us back the Canadian lands that were taken from us as a result of the war of 1812. We don't really want it all back though and we will be satisfied with, Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana, Oregon and Washington. These places seem more Canadian than American to me anyways and I'm completely sure the people will have better lives as a result. What would they get out of it???
Better schools, better healthcare FOR FREE, no political insanity, no massive federal interference in their affairs, NO, FBI, CIA, DHS, DEA, ATF, IRS AND ALL THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF FEDERAL COPS. Most likely three quarters of the prioners in jail would be freed.
So, come on there Obama, prove to me you really hate the USA and hand over the goodies.
I live in Minnesota....sounds like a good plan to me!!!!!

YES!

Do I have to take a driver's test???
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The *** is up...Bush is an alien from space. He was sent here to pollute the planet's air, water and soil by favoring the corporate culprits. He will make certain that distant nations get the bulk of our manufacturing business and jobs. He will start wars by illegally invading sovereign nations. He will proceed to decimate the middle class by taking away worker's rights and bargaining power until their voices are drowned out by the bottom line of corporate cronies. He will single handedly manipulate the Wall Street banksters to successfully pull off the biggest heist in American history. He will deregulate all industry and government agencies so that they in turn can destroy, pollute, steal and profit.

There you have it. It's all his fault and he took away the Utopia that we have become accustomed to before his alien agenda took root.
There. Fixed it for ya.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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There. Fixed it for ya.
We really have to go back as far as Reagan, but seriously, this Obama "birfer" crap is so old and worn out that if someone does not bury it already, the nation will need a fumigation. The garbage that people thrive on and motivates them to get out of bed in the morning is astonishing.
 
Old 02-18-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Again, why do you think the founders established the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1?
And again, you are somehow arguing that some words on a piece of paper can somehow negate the allegiance that you claim someone is BORN with.

You do understand that your position thus far with regard to the president has been that allegiance is static, unmalleable, fixed and that under no circumstances could his allegiance be other than that of his father despite his being born in the United States of America.
Sort of like being born with brown or blue eyes.


So, is allegiance inherited or is it not?
 
Old 02-18-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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So, is allegiance inherited or is it not?
If it were inherited, I'd be a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. Perish the thought.
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