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Old 02-21-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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What are you talking about? How would I not pocket that much?
My state,NJ,to qualify for Medicaid its 20,000 dollars.

My sis,lives in Nc. They make 40,00 for a family of 8. The children qualify for Medicaid,but not the adults.

Also,with section 8 vouchers,you can move anywhere. You are getting housing suthories and sectin 8 mixed up.

Say if a property in upsscale Livingston accepts section 8. Section 8 only pays 1000 toward the rent. That person could make up the other 1000 dollars.

Who can get Section 8 vouchers? At my last job, most of the employees lived in SRO rooming houses.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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They do pay a higher proportion.
Say the tax rate is a flat 15% of all income. Person A makes $100,000/yr while Person B makes $25,000/yr. Person A contributes $15,000 in taxes while Person B contributes $3,750 in taxes.

But not only are the needy getting supported some "wanty" are getting supported now as well.

Cost of living is $20,000/yr.

Person A pays 18.75% of discretionary income in taxes.

Person B pays 75% of discretionary income in taxes. You think B's not paying enough tax?
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:36 PM
 
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The liberals want to tax employer-sponsored medical plans to help fund Obamacare and then argue its not income. Love it.

I want to tax employer-paid medical plans and repeal Obamacare. It's income, and should be taxed as such.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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Who can get Section 8 vouchers? At my last job, most of the employees lived in SRO rooming houses.
Half the university of Iowa football team was living in section 8 housing before they got busted. Hell the head football coach's own kid was too and he makes 3.5 million a year. Work the system and the system takes care of you. The left makes sure of that.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:20 PM
 
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So, instead of having actual policy ideas on how to address the growing income gap and the economy, the right has decided that it's the poor to blame for dwindling middle class. This ranks only slightly more pants-on-head stupid than the, "The poor aren't poor because they have refrigerators," talking point.
Well if I look at the stats over the last 100 years the income gap has shrunk. And while in the short-term there is an increase, the overall trend line clearly shows the gap is decreasing.

A fridge doesn't mean someone is rich anymore than flying in a private jet makes somebody rich.

The real solution is to reduce government.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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Well if I look at the stats over the last 100 years the income gap has shrunk. And while in the short-term there is an increase, the overall trend line clearly shows the gap is decreasing.
Over the past 100 years, yes it did. But 100 years ago there was nothing to speak of a middle class at all. The whole breaking-up monopolies, large scalei industrialization, and the institution of a progressive income tax is why we created such a large middle class. The gap began broadening 30 years ago and really took off in the early 90's.

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A fridge doesn't mean someone is rich anymore than flying in a private jet makes somebody rich.

The real solution is to reduce government.
What? Who's saying that a person is rich because they have a fridge? In 2012 America, having the ability to refrigerate food doesn't mean you're not poor, and tats the recent talking point coming from pundits and internet shills. And maybe you can enlighten me on how my middle income self can fly around in a private plane?
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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So, instead of having actual policy ideas on how to address the growing income gap and the economy, the right has decided that it's the poor to blame for dwindling middle class. This ranks only slightly more pants-on-head stupid than the, "The poor aren't poor because they have refrigerators," talking point.
You seem to take for granted that we should address the income gap at all. So the income gap is growing. So what? Why is this something that needs "addressing"?

And what are you basing this "the right blames the poor for the shrinking middle class" argument on? Sounds like a straw man argument to me.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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You seem to take for granted that we should address the income gap at all. So the income gap is growing. So what? Why is this something that needs "addressing"?
Functioning democracies require a large and healthy middle class. We used to have a major income gap, it was the Guilded Age, and that name was no superlative. Also, having a middle class, and a comfortable underclass, is an insurance policy of stability for the wealthy. Without it, there's the whole lawless masses, pitchforks and other unpleasantness.

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And what are you basing this "the right blames the poor for the shrinking middle class" argument on? Sounds like a straw man argument to me.
Not one that I made up, It was blatantly the OP's (false) assertion that the middle class is shrinking because the poor have it so good.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:52 PM
 
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I used Turbo Tax just like you just did. So gtfo here with that BS.

Your post said "someone" would pay 8-9% max at a $60k income. Not a "family"
I'm a "someone" and gave you my information.

I'm sure you're the smartest person you know so tell me, what can I legally claim to lower my 16+% effective federal rate @ $73k gross?

Single, no kids, no mortgage.

Under my plan, the number of affordable homes available to singles would necessarily skyrocket.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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Over the past 100 years, yes it did. But 100 years ago there was nothing to speak of a middle class at all. The whole breaking-up monopolies, large scalei industrialization, and the institution of a progressive income tax is why we created such a large middle class. The gap began broadening 30 years ago and really took off in the early 90's.

What? Who's saying that a person is rich because they have a fridge? In 2012 America, having the ability to refrigerate food doesn't mean you're not poor, and tats the recent talking point coming from pundits and internet shills. And maybe you can enlighten me on how my middle income self can fly around in a private plane?

Speaking of tats, the more a person has of them, the less and less likely they are to be rich.
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