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Old 09-06-2007, 11:51 AM
 
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What does everyone think of this idea for the US?
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:30 PM
 
Location: ITP
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Omit the word "socialized". Do I believe in a Federally-supported single payer system? You bet your arse I do! It has been proven time and time again that health care costs would go down if we adopted such a system. And as for these potential "wait times" that some politicos try to scare us about, I already have to wait about a month to see a specialist in my HMO.
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Old 09-06-2007, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Milwaukee, WI
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Omit the word "socialized".
Can you though? Universal healthcare - whether you love it or hate it - is socialism.

Actually, I think Karl Marx himself had something to say about universal healthcare!
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Old 09-06-2007, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Blackwater Park
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I don't know, I don't think I support it.

The feds seem to screw up enough, I'm not sure I trust them with healthcare.

I also don't want to pay for someone's gastric bypass surgery or blood pressure medication because they couldn't lay off the twinkies. I guess it's like that with private insurance as well though.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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I'm all for it, even though I'm a doctor. The best "socialized" health care systems offer universal coverage, better health outcomes, and lower overall costs than the US "free-market" system. What's not to like?
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:03 PM
 
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I'm for it. It encourges preventative medicine. For what I pay in payroll deductions and co-pays, it can't be much more. The company that I work for has numerous offices in Canada and when I've asked my Canadian colleagues about it, they all seem to be very pleased with it. Waits can be longer for scheduled, non-emergency surgeries, but the advantages of it greatly outweigh that. US citizens are already paying indirectly for the uninsured now via the premiums that we pay. Our employers pay heavily too. If you've ever been in between jobs, you can appreciate how much Cobra coverage costs and even then, there is a time limit for how long you can remain on Cobra. It's a messed up system that when you find yourself jobless and not making any income, that you now have to pay more for the same insurance that you had when you were earning money. So some people take the risk and not buy Cobra and find themselves in emergency rooms. Our current system encourages those not insured to forgo medical care of visit emergency rooms once their symptoms have elevated to the point in which they can't ignore them. The State of Illinois recently started a back up insurance program for the middle class that finds themselves in this situation. It covers children of parents who lost their jobs. No one in this country should be without adequate healthcare, particularly high risk groups such as chlldren, the eldery and those with chronic conditions that are in between jobs. Medical costs in this country are the #1 reason that people go bankrupt. Many of those people have worked consistently their entire adult lives. Wouldn't it be nice to know that if you lost your job or you became ill while in between jobs that you would have access to quality healthcare? How could anyone object to that?
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:34 AM
 
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I don't know, I don't think I support it.

The feds seem to screw up enough, I'm not sure I trust them with healthcare.
You would prefer to trust your insurance company?
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:39 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm all for it, even though I'm a doctor. The best "socialized" health care systems offer universal coverage, better health outcomes, and lower overall costs than the US "free-market" system. What's not to like?
I agree. I also think it's a sad day when a society doesn't want to support basic health care for all.
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Blackwater Park
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You would prefer to trust your insurance company?

That's a good point, but I don't keep health insurance.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:50 AM
 
Location: ITP
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Everyone on here has provided great insight into the issue. My own opinion is that universal coverage just makes plain sense. Although not perfect, it would be way more cost effective and efficient than our current system. Also, the average American who is covered by insurance wouldn't have to worry about paying obscene copays and deductions, nor would they have to worry about being denied treatment. I wouldn't mind at all paying more taxes for such a system.
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