Should parents have the right to have their infant son circumcised? (Iran, conspiracy)
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Sorry Vic, it was late and I just returned from the airport, I wasn't in the mood to read through 55 pages of posts lol.
No problem. Just explain to me why I can move my son from one state to another (a decision made without his say, which will surely make a much bigger difference in his life than circumcision), but I can't have him circumcised. People say circumcision is permanent. But it's actually less "permanent" than moving him out of state, because he has to wait until he's about 18 and/or save up tons of money to move back or wherever he wants to live, but he can begin foreskin restoration by the time he turns 13 for little to no money.
Check posts #570 and 572, if you want to see something beyond the circles we've all been going around in elsewhere
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No problem. Just explain to me why I can move my son from one state to another (a decision made without his say, which will surely make a much bigger difference in his life than circumcision), but I can't have him circumcised. People say circumcision is permanent. But it's actually less "permanent" than moving him out of state, because he has to wait until he's about 18 and/or save up tons of money to move back or wherever he wants to live, but he can begin foreskin restoration by the time he turns 13 for little to no money.
Check posts #570 and 572, if you want to see something beyond the circles we've all been going around in elsewhere
I don't know about the last part, but why not give him the decision? This is different to vaccination. Animals do fine with their foreskins, how can something you are born with be harmful? I don't get that logic.
I don't know about the last part, but why not give him the decision? This is different to vaccination. Animals do fine with their foreskins, how can something you are born with be harmful? I don't get that logic.
Phimosis, paraphimosis, and balanoposthitis; not to mention all the conditions/diseases circumcision is believed to minimize.
Why not give him the decision before moving out of state? That was my question to you first.
I know it's a Muslim thing as well but compared to Jews they're not as significant, although this might change.
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Demographically speaking although as I said that is fast changing.
I know you're probably talking about the US (and even so, most who are circumcised there aren't Jewish based on total population), but the majority of circumcised males in the world are probably Muslim and Christian (US+ Africa + Middle East + Islamic world).
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Phimosis, paraphimosis, and balanoposthitis; not to mention all the conditions/diseases circumcision is believed to minimize.
Why not give him the decision before moving out of state? That was my question to you first.
That comparison is not even worth taking seriously.
'Believed to' is the key word here. I haven't done much research myself, but in 25 years I haven't suffered any of those weird diseases, nor, I would suspect, are they rampant in the 70% of the world which does not cling to meaningless traditions.
By the way, according to Wikipedia, Canada and Australia (though whoever made this map should have known that 20-80% as one broad category isn't exactly a good range to depict on a map) are the only major "Western countries" alongside the US to have major male circumcision -- note how the UK or Europe barely registers.
Still, my impression is it'd be a minority of the population that chooses circumcision for infants in Canada relative to Americans (where the majority choose it).
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By the way, according to Wikipedia, Canada and Australia (though whoever made this map should have known that 20-80% as one broad category isn't exactly a good range to depict on a map) are the only major "Western countries" alongside the US to have major male circumcision -- note how the UK or Europe barely registers.
Still, my impression is it'd be a minority of the population that chooses circumcision for infants in Canada relative to Americans (where the majority choose it).
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I believe in Australia it peaked in the 60s and early 70s with rates as high as 60-70% - but for those my age it's around 30-40%. Fortunately in school we have private cubicles (I've never really seen communal showers outside a public swimming pool) so there was no 'comparing' going on. Now it's dropped even more, probably less than 20% now.
I think I might have given an opinion on this before, but I would say circumcision is unnecessary.
Circumcision (even female circumcision) seems to be part of an Africa + Middle East-wide trend. Apparently, although it's controversial, what I read seems to suggest that the earliest depictions of it are by Ancient Egyptians, and some of the peoples as well living in the places nearby also had the tradition -- including the general area of the world where the Abrahamic faiths took hold later on.
Like a lot of pre-modern "traditions", its origins and justifications are dubious. If we didn't have this tradition in existence, I suspect not many people would try to think of it up for study and look for health benefits, which in any case are controversial. It's true that people have looked at its benefits for avoiding STDs, especially in developing nations like in Africa, but in modern, sanitary environments where the potential for cleanliness is already taken for granted, the benefits are more doubtful.
I see circumcision the way I see other types of body modification for instance, getting a tattoo or piercings in any case.
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