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Old 02-20-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: My ranch
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You mean keeping the USA in one piece is a bad thing?

show me where in the founding documents of the USA it says that a state is not allowed to secede?

dont tell me the military solution, we already know that one, I want the Constitutional decision.

if a state is allowed to ask for entrance to the union, then a state is also allowed the exact opposite and secede as well.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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show me where in the founding documents of the USA it says that a state is not allowed to secede?

dont tell me the military solution, we already know that one, I want the Constitutional decision.

if a state is allowed to ask for entrance to the union, then a state is also allowed the exact opposite and secede as well.
So you are pro-secessionist?
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: My ranch
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So you are pro-secessionist?

I believe that if a state decides that it wants to go it alone, or a group of states want to do it without the federal goverment, then they should be allowed to.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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Washington, Jefferson, Eisenhower.
Thomas Jefferson. Somewhat, Teddy Roosevelt.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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I believe that if a state decides that it wants to go it alone, or a group of states want to do it without the federal goverment, then they should be allowed to.
That's secession. I don't support that, I support the United States, not the seceded states.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:31 PM
Status: "I'm chillin'" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Formally NW Chicago burbs,Denver for now
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1) Teddy Roosevelt--> Meat Inspection and the Pure Food and Drug Acts, Conservationist, Trust Buster, Panama Canal...

2) Abe Lincoln-->Led this nation during its true darkest hours.

3) Thomas Jefferson--> Louisiana Purchase, Lewis & Clark Expedition...
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:32 PM
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Washington, Lincoln and Reagan.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:15 PM
 
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That's secession. I don't support that, I support the United States, not the seceded states.
The founding fathers must have been terrorists in your view, right?

The declaration of independence an act of sedition?

You know ... you either believe in the principle of government by the consent of the governed, or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Washington, Lincoln and FDR are my obvious choices. It gets much more interesting after that. My next three would be Jefferson, TR and quite possibly GHW Bush. It is pretty tough to match the level of service to his country through his lifetime and in my option he did a masterful job of winding down the cold war.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Freakville
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Warren G. Harding
William Henry Harrison
Hillary Clinton

In no particular order
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