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Old 02-20-2012, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Eddie, you're forgetting that the Republicans have done two things for minorities since then -- 1) they established this wonderful economy in which everyone, including minorities, can flourish and 2) humanitarians that they are, freed women from the evil clutches of the Taliban. Now a cynic would assume that second one was really about killing our enemies and had nothing to do with gender matters per se, but don't you believe it. That great gender warrior George W. Bush would have invaded Afghanistan and built those girls schools even if they weren't harboring Bin Laden.
Gee , I think women and minorities have done very well since the republicans passed all the legislation I have mentioned. It is one of the biggest transformations in our history.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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In this very long thread not one person has disagreed with you that once upon time the Republican Party was the party of racial progressiveness. However, that time ended -- rather blantantly -- in the early 1960s. When you look at the 1960s until now, it's very easy to see which party the bigots have found a home in. You're accusing the Democrats of rewriting history, but you're the one who's trying to engage in some revisionism. Sorry... the albatross of bigotry is yours to wear. The Republicans didn't seem to mind being the party of bigotry back when whistling Dixie was still getting them enough votes to justify it. Now, when it looks like that strategy has finally become too much of a liability, they are doing their damndest to run away from their own history. That sorry timeline the RNC gen'd up didn't do much for the cause. They are going to have to do better than that if they want to fool more than the very stupidest and most guillable.
It is not that the GOP suddenly got bigoted like the democrat party always was. No, the GOP saw that the playing field was level, the way MLK Jr wanted it, and they turned their focus on building a strong economy and a secure nation for everyone.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Haven't you heard? Nathan Bedford had the best interests of the slaves at heart. He was just saving them from those meddlesome Yankees who so cruelly freed them before they were ready. (Sadly, I wish I weren't making the exact same argument that racists have made for the past 150 years. I find it sad that the OP, a black man, is falling for this claptrap.)

Rik, if you want to be a Republican -- great. I can see how it appeals to certain interests and people of certain inclinations. The truth is that the Republican Party of 2012 is trying very hard to bury its racist past. I am all for a Republican Party that reaches out to people of color, and I'm all for people of color having a choice of two or more parties. You can't rewrite history though.
The history in post #1 shows which party had the most to do with creating racial justice. Anyone can research the history. The democrats rewrite will only hold water to those that are ignorant enough to believe it without verifying it. There are many minorities and women that are gravitating to the republican party after seeing that government can only ensure equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What does the history of the Reconstruction era Republicans have to do with any political issue today?
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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And it wasn't 1863, per your OP, was it?

I'm not trying to split hairs. I am being pedantic. I know this and I hate it. But you posted things aren't accurate or correct. I started a point by point rebuttal. Then Jadex came in and basically said I said something I didn't say, and essentially attacked my credibility. I've been tediously trying to defend my credibility.

You dismiss your mistakes like they're not noteworthy. But of course, it is noteworthy. Your errors show that you've failed to do any real research into the topic, but instead are cutting and pasting from sites that don't really care about accuracy either.

The winning argument here is that political parties evolve over time. The Republican Party of 1860 has changed dramatically over the past 150 years. And it has not been the party that advances social progressivism for many, many years. That fact is reflected in how the demographics of the membership has changed. Either party can point to a plethora of achievements in advancing equality and justice in our society, because our society itself has chosen to take that direction. But those advancements have also had costs, and members of our society have resisted those advancements. Right now, the advancement of equality demands that gays be accorded an equal status with heterosexuals in our society. And we can see that that advancement is resisted vehemently. The Republican Party's current alignment with conservatism pits them against progressivism in our current political climate. That doesn't mean that over time the Republican Party will not be more progressive, or that the Democratic Party won't become more conservative and reactionary. The two parties tend to be fluid, changing sides back and forth. And the issue isn't who is conservative and who is progressive. The issue is and always has been that we have, as a matter of design, a government that was always intended to move slowly on these issues, and that the political parties serve our society by hashing out these issues, making detailed, cogent arguments for both sides, so that the issues can be fully addressed. It's the best sort of democracy. The kind that works hard to educated the people about the issues and ramifications of the solutions to those issues.
You are trying to smother everyone with BS to cover up the fact that the republican party is responsible for the racial justice that we have today, and they pushed that agenda against the will of the democrats. You found one wrong date in a 500 word post. Bully for you
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Some white supremacist and White Nationalist like to stereotype Black People as shifty, lying, and dishonest.

Why would the O.P. prove their assertions??..

If I make a living washing windows and call myself a window washer, then decide to continue washing windows but call myself a baker; am I really one who bakes for a living??

The intellectuall dishonesty is frustrating to me not because the o.p. knows that he or she is incorrect, but that they would purposely stand on a lie in order to score empty points.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:59 PM
 
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It is not that the GOP suddenly got bigoted like the democrat party always was. No, the GOP saw that the playing field was level, the way MLK Jr wanted it, and they turned their focus on building a strong economy and a secure nation for everyone.
According to you, the Republican Party quit pushing for racially progressive policies in the early 1960s because at that point the playing field was equal? So there never was a southern strategy to win over the defecting Dixiecrats? By 1960, whites raised the "white flag" so to speak and collectively said to blacks: you got us. You're our equals after all, so from here on out we're not going to try to hold you back with bigoted actions and policies?

If you truly believe this, then, in the words of Barney Frank, arguing with you is about as meaningful as arguing with a kitchen table at this point.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It is also a legitimate question when someone asks it in reverse. No one on the right ever seems to answer it though. Here's how it goes...

You blame the current President for all the nation's problems but you excuse his predecessor and absolve him aof any responsibilty for the pile of doodoo he left behind?

See how that works?
I only see how ignoring the equal disgust, against both parties, works for a hot air liberal. I've given equal time to both parties as a failure, and you type as if I'm partisan. Unlike these parrots, most thinking people see the same President for the last 11 years. The difference is that in the last three years the snake isn't hiding his deception nearly as well as he did in the first eight years.

However, I digress - far be it from me to interrupt your talking points which have been rehearsed to the umpteenth degree ad nauseam. Independent thinking actually requires some thought and common sense is as rare as gold these days.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Some white supremacist and White Nationalist like to stereotype Black People as shifty, lying, and dishonest.

Why would the O.P. prove their assertions??..

If I make a living washing windows and call myself a window washer, then decide to continue washing windows but call myself a baker; am I really one who bakes for a living??

The intellectuall dishonesty is frustrating to me not because the o.p. knows that he or she is incorrect, but that they would purposely stand on a lie in order to score empty points.
???????
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Funny thing-- alot of people who voted for Bush claim he is a liberal.

Make up your minds...
Because he chose minorities he is a liberal? Many minorities are conservative. Other than his prescription drug bill and NCLB. I think he was mostly conservative.
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