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Old 02-20-2012, 10:57 PM
 
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You're right. In the minds of many whites, not just Republican ones unfortunately, black is synonymous with poor. For this reason, the Republican hate-the-poor campaign often bleeds into a hate-the-blacks campaign. I think, however, for most of them -- it's the poor they hate.
And as you point out, the face of the poor happens to be black so I fail to see the distinction.

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When I was a kid, there were still plenty of white people around who freely told racist jokes and rarely missed an opportunity to point out the supposed inferiority of blacks. (Guess which party ALL of these people endorsed?) Today, I go months and months without running into a white like this. The very few I do meet don't have many teeth and are objects of abject pity. (I think even most blacks feel sorry for this type of very low-caste person.)
Of this, I have no doubt, fortunately the tooth less lower class whites that you refer to, while remaining in the Democratic Party, are not in the Parties leadership and as a result are not pandered to as they are by the Republican Party.

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The current Republican meme goes something like this: whites and blacks are equal in all ways.
Hence another reason why African Americans have to desire to be Republicans because African Americans of all economic levels know that saying everybody is equal doesn't make it so. As a result, why would African Americans side with a party that is so out of touch with the perceptions of African Americans?

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However, unfortunately Democrats have constructed a modern day plantation system to enslave blacks and keep them in a state of perpetual poverty so they will continue to vote for the Democratic Party.
That is ludicrous, and bordering on the insane and black folks know it. So what is the Republican solution, to end this "modern day plantation" on the premiss that starving will suddenly produce a willing work force for jobs which don't exist? Only a fool would turn down food on the table today for promises of food sometime in the future and even the dumbest African American is no fool.

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They genuinely like guys like Herman Cain.
Well of course they do, he is the closest political equivalent to "I'm not prejudice my best friend is black."
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:01 PM
 
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Unlike the Democrats who direct their hate towards the rich, even though they are wealthier and spend more by 1.5x to buy votes. Poor? I'd say the best way to not be poor is to do something about it, not rely on someone else to do it for you.

Muslims? As opposed to hating Christians? There's plently of that going down wouldn't you say?

Gay? We don't have any problem with gays. We'll keep our marriage under God and you keep your civil union under Dave, and we'll be just fine. But, that's not good enough as they continually chisel at our beliefs, not the other way around. If you keep calling a dog a cat sooner or later everyone will believe it's a cat. I'm sure at some point science will prove there's a bestiality or pedophile gene, making those actions acceptable as well. Far be it from anyone to have a conscience for their actions, when they can replace it with fraud science.

I'm pretty sure you just hate Christians and spell it GOP.
I was talking about the Republicans, not the Democrats, steven. However, since you brought it up, I agree that there is far too much Christain bashing taking place in the Democratic Party. It's one of my big beefs with it. Far from hating Christains, I admire many of them... I also think the nation would be a far better place if more people took Christain values (true Christain values) to heart. The best man I knew (my Dad) was first and foremost a sincere and committed follower of Jesus.

Unlike many Republicans, however, my admiration for Christainity doesn't lead me to hatred for Muslims. I think that Muslims have their extremists, as do the Christains, but Islam as a whole is an expression of the very highest human ideals. I think that the nation would also be better off if more people took Islamic values (true Islamic values) to heart.

As an old-fashioned American, however, I don't concern myself too much with how others worship God. I believe it is up to every man and woman to follow his or her own conscience in religious matters. You can see how this puts me at severe odds with the current GOP.

As far as gays go, I'm sorry. I believe my nephew and my good friend Beth have just as much right to marry as anyone else. If you believe that their sexual inclinations are sinful, fine. That is your right to believe. If your church believes homosexuality is a sin, I would be the first to rise up in protest if anyone was forcing your pastor or minister or priest to marry two people of the same sex.

However, my church, the Unitarian Universalist church, believes that a union of two people of the same sex is as pure and beautiful an expression of love as any other union. My minister, a gay man, begins every sermon with the words: no matter who you love, you are welcome here. I find these words to be powerful and affirming. I can't say I'm too pleased with those who want to infringe on the religious freedoms of my church to marry whomever it pleases.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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And as you point out, the face of the poor happens to be black so I fail to see the distinction.



Of this, I have no doubt, fortunately the tooth less lower class whites that you refer to, while remaining in the Democratic Party, are not in the Parties leadership and as a result are not pandered to as they are by the Republican Party.



Hence another reason why African Americans have to desire to be Republicans because African Americans of all economic levels know that saying everybody is equal doesn't make it so. As a result, why would African Americans side with a party that is so out of touch with the perceptions of African Americans?



That is ludicrous, and bordering on the insane and black folks know it. So what is the Republican solution, to end this "modern day plantation" on the premiss that starving will suddenly produce a willing work force for jobs which don't exist? Only a fool would turn down food on the table today for promises of food sometime in the future and even the dumbest African American is no fool.



Well of course they do, he is the closest political equivalent to "I'm not prejudice my best friend is black."
You've convinced me. The GOP in its current form has very little to offer black folks (or white folks of modest means who don't hate gays, muslims or immigrants).
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: NC
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Depending on how old you are, I'd say you are probably right. As has been proven over and over ad nasuem in this thread, racists were Democrats up until 1960 or so. I grew up in the 80s. When I was a kid, Democrats didn't tell racist jokes. Republicans did.
I completely agree though I grew up a little latter then you, but I recall stuff like the "White Hands Ad." It has gotten better since then for sure, but the Republicans are the ones that tend to play on racial tension.

And who can forget the Harold Ford "call me" ad.

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Old 02-21-2012, 06:45 AM
 
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Most of those "Democrats" and their supporters, switched to Republican after that. Most famous among them is Strom Thurmond. On the other hand many of the GOPers who supported it were in the Rockafeller Republican camp and were drummed out of the party by the time of Reagan.
And your point is?
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:46 AM
 
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By region

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)

Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

Once you control for region the Republicans never exceeded the Democratic margin of yea votes. In fact when it came to Southern Republicans the voted 100% against the Civil Rights Act. Even amongst Southern Democrats a higher percentage voted for the Civil Rights Act than Republicans!
Who cares, because in the end 80 percent of them voted for it and only a little over 60 percent of democrats voted for it.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Who cares, because in the end 80 percent of them voted for it and only a little over 60 percent of democrats voted for it.
There were non-racist reasons to vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Goldwater believed, IMO correctly, that forcing businesses to segregate was unconstitutional. Goldwater voted for every single Civil Rights act before it.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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OP, what was the purpose of this thread? We are not going to vote republican until policies are created where blacks can benefit. Telling us that democrats keep us on a plantation is not doing the trick, and giving us stats from 50 years isn't doing the trick either. You have to come to us and tell us what you can do for us, if you don't want to do that, quit trying to get our vote.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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OP, what was the purpose of this thread? We are not going to vote republican until policies are created where blacks can benefit. Telling us that democrats keep us on a plantation is not doing the trick, and giving us stats from 50 years isn't doing the trick either. You have to come to us and tell us what you can do for us, if you don't want to do that, quit trying to get our vote.
Did you miss the heroic liberation of women in Afghanistan in 2001? If that doesn't prove to you that the Republicans are champions of equality for all in the 21st century, then nothing will. Nevermind all the whistling Dixie crap the GOP has been doing up until yesterday, they want to be a rainbow party now -- honest *****. Trust them. (No immigrants, muslims or gays need apply though. The GOP is still a party for *decent* folks.)
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Lightbulb Republicans have done more for minorities and women against the will of the democrats

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Despite liberals trying to rewrite history, it is clear that the republicans have helped minorities and women far more than the democrats:

1.The First Hispanic Governor was a Republican, in 1863, Romualdo Pacheco of CA
2.Republicans freed the slaves,Republicans passed the 13th Amendment unanimously – against nearly unanimous Democrat opposition
3.Republicans passed 14th Amendment to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.
4.In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment. The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.
5.In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment. The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.
6.The First African-American Senator was a Republican, in North Carolina, Hiram Revels.
7.The 1871 Civil Rights Act effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.
8. Republicans passed the 1875 Civil Rights Act that banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
9.Republicans gave woman the right to vote. In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment.
10.A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention, John Lynch.
11.Bertha Landes, a Republican, was the first woman to serve as mayor of a large American city.
12.A Republican President Appointed the First Jewish Cabinet Secretary, Oscar Straus.
13.In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans. The law had been written by Rep. Homer Snyder (R-NY)
14.The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican, Octaviano Larrazolo of New Mexico.
15.The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican, Hiram Fong of Hawaii.
16.In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.
17.Judge Tuttle, a Republican, in 1962, ordered the University of Mississippi to admit its first African-American student, James Meredith.
18.In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.
19.Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act against the filibustering democrats. The GOP improved upon this landmark legislation with the 1960 Civil Rights Act.
20.Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock. President Eisenhower ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school against the will of the Democrat governor.


Anything in the past 55 years?

It sure seems like the GOP is running on its talking points from 1948 this year.

Since they're having a hard time finding a presidential candidate they don't hate, maybe they can resurrect Haolrd Stassen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Stassen


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21.After 911, under Bush leadership,the U.S. military, together with forces from Britain and other allies, destroyed terrorist camps and ousted the Taliban, liberating 27 million people from Taliban oppression, including giving girls the opportunity to attend school and giving women the right to vote.


To say that's a stretch is an understatement.
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