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Old 02-20-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Which is exactly what I was expecting, to be honest.

The point is, there is risks. Nobody's trying to hide the risks. If the women want to take the risk, then that's their prerogative.

What we -could- do is make sterilization easier to acquire. As, there are many doctors who refuse to do voluntary sterilization on women (like, permanent, not just "tying the tubes") because of fear of lawsuits further on, or pretty much "You're just gonna change your mind and regret this anyways so I'm not gonna do it on you"
But no one can find even one case where a woman who got a ligation (I even had to sign a waiver 35 years ago and in a non-US country) who subsequently sued for being sterilized.

It's a red herring.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Which is exactly what I was expecting, to be honest.

The point is, there is risks. Nobody's trying to hide the risks. If the women want to take the risk, then that's their prerogative.

What we -could- do is make sterilization easier to acquire. As, there are many doctors who refuse to do voluntary sterilization on women (like, permanent, not just "tying the tubes") because of fear of lawsuits further on, or pretty much "You're just gonna change your mind and regret this anyways so I'm not gonna do it on you"
Sadly though, some of these "women" are teens and their parents are taking the risk for them and I think preventing pregnancy trumps all from their point of view. You can't expect a 15-16 year old girl to fully comprehend and decide between long-term health risks decades down the road vs sex with her boyfriend tomorrow night. That's a no brainer.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Eugenius
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Well gosh if we didn't have those pesky researchers and doctors inventing silly stuff like birth control, maybe women wouldn't have gotten in their fool heads to think they could have any control over their bodies. The real culprits are the inventors of birth control!! Grab yer pitchforks and light your torches!!
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Sadly though, some of these "women" are teens and their parents are taking the risk for them and I think preventing pregnancy trumps all from their point of view. You can't expect a 15-16 year old girl to fully comprehend and decide between long-term health risks decades down the road vs sex with her boyfriend tomorrow night. That's a no brainer.
YOu'd be surprised at what a 15-16 year old girl "fully comprehends". Many 15-16 year old girls that I've met are more mature than 30 year old women.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Surely this should be in the Health forum.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Is that how you make all of your decisions in life? Listen only to the side that tells you what you want to hear?
I think many have seen your screaming rant about the sin of any form of birth control and the insanity that represents in the present over in the christianity area.

Your position on this is based solely on ancient superstitions and a tremendous amount of extreme ignorance about the reality of over population.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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We can thank President Obama for one thing: starting a national conversation on the use of contraception.

It has been documented in other posts how the availability of contraception, due to the promiscuous and irresponsible lifestyle it promotes, has lead to increases in abortion, out-of-wedlock births, sexually transmitted diseases, and other social maladies.

It has also been explained how contraception has led to the explosive growth of government and the nanny state by eroding our natural support network - the extended family.

What is seldom discussed, however, is how "the pill" specifically poisons the bodies, lives, and relationships of women. A timely article by Mary Anne Moresco titled "Poisoned by the Pill: Truths About Chemical Contraception" reviews the facts:

"Each year, thousands of cases of cancer can be attributed to hormonal contraception.Any other drug (or heaven forbid natural supplement) which had been linked to so much cancer would have been yanked from the market long ago ..."

Please read the entire article.

I think my first impulse would be to tell you to seek out therapy since you seem to have so many problems with what women do with their own bodies and lives.
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Eugenius
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Actually, the real culprits are the educational system that trained and coddled the brainpower of the researchers and scientists who invented birth control!!!!!! [Now I'm beginning to see the REAL reasons behind the war on teachers...]
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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International Agency for Research on Cancer
World Health Organization
IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans
Volume 91 (2007)
Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contraceptives and Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Menopausal Therapy


Summary of Data Reported and Evaluation:
Overall evaluation
Combined oral estrogen-progestogen contraceptives are carcinogenic to humans (Group 1). There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer of the endometrium and ovary.




(There is a newer Monograph (2011) but I can't find a link)


*bump*
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I think many have seen your screaming rant about the sin of any form of birth control and the insanity that represents in the present over in the christianity area.
"Screaming rant", eh?

You mean this?

Those weren't my words - I was quoting someone - but I stand by them as true. And let's be clear that I've only posted maybe three or four times to the Christianity forum.
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