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Old 02-23-2012, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Without unions, companies would run all over employees...like they used too.

However unions need to take a hard look at what they are doing, they are killing themselves by becoming self serving organizations. It shouldn't be about keeping the job of some discipline problem slacker, or preventing people from learning multiple crafts so they can be marketable in the workforce should a layoff come.

Ive worked w unions for over 20 years and they sicken me how they 'punish' employees who work hard (making long timers look bad by exposing their slacking). I'm all for fair treatment and job safety but its become a system of hiring relatives and friends...just like they want to prevent mgmt from doing.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:54 AM
 
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Did you surrender your Norski citizenship?
No.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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No.
How convenient.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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No.
So you collect an oil dividends cheque?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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I have, I'm guessing the OP hasn't. They have no clue, all they know is the wingnut talking point of the day is "unions bad".

In the real world unions are very good. They provide job training. For me my pay rate was based on my experience and how much experience (WORK) I received was based on my past performance. Funny thing, this unions protect lazy workers doesn't exist. NOBODY I've ever worked with, union or non-union, ever condoned a lazy co-worker, would you? The only exception I can even think of was having to work with a moma's boy boss' son that thought he didn't have to pull his weight, didn't take daddy long to weed him out. Any lazy worker I have ever seen wouldn't last a day on a union crew.

I've, been a union sheet metal worker, in the UAW and a union carpenter. Never saw these BS talking points in action. I have read about what this country was like without unions... Those good ole dayz are not something we should be looking at going bad to. Google ludlow massacre to read about how the government teamed with business to suppress workers.
Heres another one...

Homestead Strike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:45 AM
 
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So you collect an oil dividends cheque?
Norwegians do not get oil dividend handed out to them.

I kept it, because it makes travel in Europe easier, and because I can go back to Norway if I want to. There is no reason why I should renounce it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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No.
You're a modern Quisling, and you worship corporations. One away from modern (diguised) corporate fascism.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:47 AM
 
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Don't forget ALL the major sports leagues have unions. I guess stories about bankrupt players living with their job related disabilities like Iron Mike Webster should be ignored, too.
Mike Webster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:47 AM
 
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No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.
That's not true.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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You seem to forget, if I don't like the conditions of MY employment, I can go get employed elsewhere.

When I was employed, I negotiated my starting pay, and signed up for those benefits I desired. We have no union where I work, and in all honesty, my co workers and I are ALL extremely happy to be where we are.

And WITHOUT a union. In fact I dare say, that even if a union TRIED to weasel their way in and get a vote, that they would be turned down so fast that it would be funny!
If you are treated well and fairly, there is no need for a union.
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