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Even if it were, what about individualism? Unions are socialism. They limit your personal liberty.
So why do you want to work for an employer that hires socialist? You knock Obama for supposedly associating with socialists, but have no problem with a company that hires them. Strange.
didn't the middle class come into existance along with unions? as unions decline, so does the middle class? I assume most of you are middle class? why would u be against unions? too much talk radio?...
There was a time and a place for unions, but we are "progressing" past that.
Not too much talk radio, too much common sense.
Why would YOU want to do a job where your true value isn't recognized?
Even if it were, what about individualism? Unions are socialism. They limit your personal liberty.
lol it's a job how can being in a union limit your personal liberty?? Just sounds like a right wing scare tactic with no evidence to back it up.
I have worked for one company pre union that in time became unionized. After the union people were much more happy, because they felt more secure, they were guaranteed a certain amount of hours, thus not having to stress and worry about finding a second job. That's just one benefit of being unionized.
The Walmart in Germany is the only unionized Walmart, their employees are much happier....if you have never heard of the problems with Walmart I suggest you google it
No, for the millionth time, no one is required to sign up to become a union member. But the union has the right to take money from non members as well. So what law says you are required to continue working there? If you abhor labor unions, then get the hell out of there!
If non-union workers are forced to pay union dues that seems a bit wrong to me. That is why I support right to work laws.
No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.<
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They limit corporations ability to play games.
No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is better than the guy down the road working non union.
In the private sector, not working in a union environment is incredibly easy in todays world. Given that union jobs typically pay more and have better benefits along with being roughly 1 in 7 jobs, the line of people waiting for the union job is very long.
This is not to say they do not have major faults. The 90/10 rule will always come into play seems the biggest to me: The worst 10% of union workers will cause 90% of the problems both for the company and for the shop steward who has to protect that clown.
Nonetheless the people shouting loudest on these boards against unions are the ones saying Joe the laborer in a union is making too much because he would be making $7.25 an hour otherwise-oh wait we need to abolish the minimum wage since Joe is a stupid monkey and deserves $7.25 a day. Go live in a refrigerator box Joe.
That's BS.
Every non-union person I know earns a higher income than the unionized people that I know.
For instance, not ONE of my neighbors is a union employee.
Conversely, EVERY unionized employee that I know has a lower standard of living than I.
dunno, when I worked (non union job)my pay was crap, and my employer trampled all over my freedom. my wife is in a quasi union and loves it...plus she makes 6x more than I did...
I have, I'm guessing the OP hasn't. They have no clue, all they know is the wingnut talking point of the day is "unions bad".
In the real world unions are very good. They provide job training. For me my pay rate was based on my experience and how much experience (WORK) I received was based on my past performance. Funny thing, this unions protect lazy workers doesn't exist. NOBODY I've ever worked with, union or non-union, ever condoned a lazy co-worker, would you? The only exception I can even think of was having to work with a moma's boy boss' son that thought he didn't have to pull his weight, didn't take daddy long to weed him out. Any lazy worker I have ever seen wouldn't last a day on a union crew.
I've, been a union sheet metal worker, in the UAW and a union carpenter. Never saw these BS talking points in action. I have read about what this country was like without unions... Those good ole dayz are not something we should be looking at going bad to. Google ludlow massacre to read about how the government teamed with business to suppress workers.
Maybe you need to google the Haymarket Affair. You man learn something about unions in the good old days. Maybe you should google the Railroad Strike and resulting violence in 1877.
Conditions are not where they were in the old days of the latter 1800s and most of it is because unions really served a purpose. Today they serve more of the purposes of leaders' pockets than anything else.
You are WRONG about compensation, in a union shop there are many ways a better worker gets compensated, first off it puts the person on the fast track for a higher paying management job with better medical plan and other benies, don't forget what ever the union member gets lower management always get something a little better while upper management well they get hundreds of thousands in stock option bonuses besides their six or seven figure salaries and they don't even have to do a good job, why don't you complain about them.
Other benies for the "better worker"
Better job assignments, more advance trainning
more overtime opportunities
less likely to get reprimanded for vialation of company policy for instance returning late from lunch etc.
Asking for a vacation day for tomorrow when you are suppose to give a week's notice no problem.
There are many ways that a person's performance gets rewarded in a union shop, just as a person that does not meet the supervisors expectations will get dumped on.
Every non-union person I know earns a higher income than the unionized people that I know.
that claim is BS, unless you don't know anyone. Do you know the tellers at your bank? do you know the counter help at the fast food joint? do you know the waitress at your favorite resturant? I could go on.....
if everyone you know makes more than union workers why are you concerned about what union workers make????
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For instance, not ONE of my neighbors is a union employee.
Conversely, EVERY unionized employee that I know has a lower standard of living than I.
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