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Old 02-22-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Looks like he sees his error, and he is retracting his comments. Now he is saying he just disagrees with Obama's view on abortion.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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I do know that no where in the Bible does it say "Collective Salvation, Depends on Individual Salvation".
Obama's collective salvation, which states that all people must accept a version of salvation which all of us must possess in order for mankind to be saved is very popular in liberalism.
That spiritual view of salvation exempts the traditional Christian view of Jesus Christ which states salvation is individual, and it is the road less traveled.

In his book Audacity of Hope............“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction

Or this admitting his Muslim faith..........
Obama Admits He Is A Muslim - YouTube
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I do know that no where in the Bible does it say "Collective Salvation, Depends on Individual Salvation".
Obama's collective salvation, which states that all people must accept a version of salvation which all of us must possess in order for mankind to be saved is very popular in liberalism.
That spiritual view of salvation exempts the traditional Christian view of Jesus Christ which states salvation is individual, and it is the road less traveled.

In his book Audacity of Hope............“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction

Or this admitting his Muslim faith..........
Obama Admits He Is A Muslim - YouTube

What an utterly contemptible post. The people in Libya and Egypt who have been fighting for liberty with our assistance are Muslims; does this suggest that President Obama should have left them under oppressive regimes? There are 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world; if they all wanted us dead, we would be. Posts such as this have nothing to do with Christ; self-righteous hypocrites will be harshly judged. I wouldn't want to put myself in such spiritual jeopardy.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That is nonsense, but if it is true, then he is doing what Jesus taught, which is love your neighbor, and love even your enemy. Why do you think we should only love those who love us back, and hate the rest? You think it is your Christian duty to hate the Muslims? No, it your fruit that stinks.

It is mistake for pastors get into politics like this. And I like santorum but he is making a mistake with his "I am a better Christian than you" comments. It shows his prideful nature and his willingness to use religion as a political weapon. Not good.


Matt 5:43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Did you know there was war in heaven. Satan was kicked out along with 1/3 of the angels.. there is a time for war , a time for peace. Did not Jesus say there is a time to pick up your sword. Is not the word of God like a two edged sword. Jesus did not come to be liked. He said even members of your own family will be divided by the word of God. Do you not know we are in a spiritual battle here for the souls of people.

If Obama says marriage is for one man and woman it is ok with those who are the unbelievers. Did you not know when Santorum says the same he is called extreme. Why?

This is the spirit of anti-christ attacking the Christians. There will be a time shortly when the Christians will be weakened because of the salt has lost its savor and is trampled down.


ANTI-CHRIST IS A SPIRIT
AND NOT A MAN
The Bible does not teach the antichrist as one man who will rise to power and rule the world, whose coming is yet future. This is a deception from the devil. In 1 John 2:18, the apostle said, “Even now are there many antichrists.” These words were written in A.D. 90, and the apostle lets us know there are many antichrists, not just one, as so many are teaching. How can we say the coming of antichrist is yet future when John says, “Even now are there many antichrists?”
The prefix “anti” means to oppose something or someone. Placing this prefix “anti” before the word Christ, merely means a spirit that is opposed to Christ. This anti-spirit may dwell within the heart of any person or organization.
In 1 John 4:1-3 the apostle writes, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: [He is saying in reality, this is the way you will know the Spirit of God and the spirit of antichrist] Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
Note in verse 2 he said, “Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.” He did not say every person who confesses, but every spirit. There are many people who confess intellectually that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, while within their heart dwells a spirit that is opposed to Christ and His doctrines and is that spirit of antichrist.
Any person or organization (religious or non-religious) that opposes the doctrine that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, and/or, that opposes any of the doctrines that Jesus Christ taught, is of the spirit of antichrist. Remember, antichrist is a spirit and not any particular man; any person or organization that does not believe in the existence of the living God.
THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST
AT WORK TODAY
As we view world conditions, we see humanity in the grip of the spirit of revolution, anarchy, and rebellion against law and order. People have thrown off all respect for decency and uprightness. The fear of God is not in their hearts; they respect not His commandments. The younger generation has arisen declaring they are going to overthrow the establishment, destroy the society we know today and rebuild a new order. This spirit of revolution and rebellion that is so prominent in the hearts of mankind comes from the spirit of antichrist. It is a devilish spirit that is “anti” or “opposed to” God and His Son Jesus Christ, and the principles of righteousness which He brought into the world. Also, it is opposed to everyone who stands up for God and His righteousness.
Any intelligent person knows the philosophy of communism is anti-god, antichrist. It makes sport of the idea there is a living God and the possibility of man making any contact with that God. Multitudes recognize the fact that communism is opposed to God and Christ and righteousness, yet fail to recognize the fact that the same anti-god, antichrist spirit has invaded professed Christianity today.
Many people are blinded by the spirit of antichrist as they contend for, and work feverishly to promote their denomination or organization. That organization may acknowledge Christ as God’s Son, while at the same time oppose, resist and fight against some of His doctrines and be as much antichrist as the organization that denies His divinity.
It makes no difference what name the organization may carry, or what we as an individual may profess, or be affiliated with; if there is a spirit within that resists any Bible truth, we are of the spirit of antichrist. True Christianity lies in the miracle of the new birth. Until men have come under the convicting power of the Holy Ghost and actually repented of their sins, confessing them, forsaking them and believing in their hearts that Jesus Christ is the propitiation for their sins, thus being born of God, they have not become a Christian.
“He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:11-13. A Bible Christian is one who has confessed and forsaken his sins, repenting of them from the heart, believing in Jesus Christ and has been born of God. A miraculous change has been wrought in one’s heart, a new spirit has been put within them and they delight in the words (teachings) of God.
Jesus said, “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” John 8:47. This just means if we are born of God we will not oppose His words, but rather love them and obey them. It is obvious that people and organizations who oppose the teachings of God’s Word do not have the Spirit of God reigning within their hearts. They have an antichrist spirit, an unbelieving, rebellious spirit, which causes them to oppose His words.
Do not be deceived by the many false teachers who are propagating the doctrine that one super-human dictator will rise in the future and rule the world and he will be the antichrist.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Looks like he sees his error, and he is retracting his comments. Now he is saying he just disagrees with Obama's view on abortion.
Yea, but he said a lot of things yesterday that went too far. Especially in regard to Romney. And the fact that he wouldn't acknowledge Obama's Christianity but immediately acknowledged Gingrich and Santorum as Christians goes right to his character and can't be glossed over.

That said, it's not a revelation to me. I generally hate clergymen anyway. So i'm loathe to be fair to him. I'll admit it.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Where in the US Constitution does it say anyone running for governor, state representative, mayor, congressman, senator or president has to be a Christian?

No candidate for political office should have to pass some kind of religious "test'!
You are spot on!
The evangelicals are not going to give up trying to run the Country until people here really do realise that Religion has NO place in politics and ignores them.
No one should be stopped following whatever faith they want but that should be a personal quest and not shoved down the throats of all Americans.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No you don't. Jesus never told his disciples to change the world through Roman politics. In fact he didn't care who was emperor. He just wanted his followers to spread the gospel. he had more important things to do. In fact, once Christianity got political is when it started to really go downhill.
So why did the government rule that prayer be taken out of schools? Isn't that a anti-Christian thing the government did? That right was taken from the Religious by the government.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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So why did the government rule that prayer be taken out of schools? Isn't that a anti-Christian thing the government did? That right was taken from the Religious by the government.
Government didn't make any such ruling.

And it's impossible to take prayer out of schools. A Christian would know that. Which calls into question your own Christianity.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The UCC is predominately a white church; only 4% are blacks. The church that President Obama attended has many white members who listened to Rev. Wright as well. Reverend Wright took his brand of theology and retired; Santorum and Graham do quite well at selling hatred of "others."
There's no reason for them to be seen as spreading a ministry of love, any more than Wright did.
Reverend Wrights church is mostly black.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Government didn't make any such ruling.

And it's impossible to take prayer out of schools. A Christian would know that. Which calls into question your own Christianity.
In 1962 the government took prayer out of school.

When Prayer Was Taken Out of School - Robin Sampson's Blog : Robin Sampson's Blog
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