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Old 02-21-2012, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Phantasy Tokoro View Post
Last I checked, while Jesus wanted his flock to spread the gospel, he didn't want them to judge.

You know, that whole "judge not lest ye be judged" thing.

Or, those who are without sin may cast the first stone.

That sort of thing.

Then again, if Jesus were alive today, conservatives would demonize him as a socialist pinko commie liberal.
You should read the WHOLE BIBLE. Did you read about judging righteous judgement?



Jesus was no liberal.His words to his flock of believers.


<< Matthew 5:48 >>

New American Standard Bible (©1995)


"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
King James Bible
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

American King James Version
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

American Standard Version
Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.

Darby Bible Translation
Be ye therefore perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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You should read the WHOLE BIBLE. Did you read about judging righteous judgement?



Jesus was no liberal.His words to his flock of believers.


<< Matthew 5:48 >>

New American Standard Bible (©1995)


"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
King James Bible
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

American King James Version
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

American Standard Version
Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.

Darby Bible Translation
Be ye therefore perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Which contradicts anything I said....how?
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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His Father is on HIS Throne in Heaven. And HE may be leading Franklin to speak out.
I was referring to his father Billy Graham. Franklin should know who put Obama in power and accept it. The bible says God appoints all leaders/authorities to their position, and it is not Grahams duty to play people against the leaders God appointed for the job. It is not the duty of s Christian, as the duty of a Christian is to spread the gospel.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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He also commanded us to love one another as God the Father loves us, and to judge not least we ourselves be judged. As a nation, we are very much a failure on both counts.

Since when do you believe that we should not judge. We are to judge righteous judgement. If one judges they will be judged back.. this is truth.

We make judgments all the time. This is the most used scripture and used without any understanding.

We can judge and it may be good , we can judge and it may be ok.. we can judge and it will be evil... how do we make decisions without good judgement? One always has to judge and of course when we judge one openedly we will be judged back.. that is what the scripture is telling us.

Reverend Graham was asked an opened question and Reverend Graham gave his best answer yet on this thread the haters judged and started the thread with judgement. Is that love?

We shall be judged by our fruits... whether they be good or bad. Jesus judged the tree and when it had no fruit it was cursed by Jesus and shriveled and died.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Since when do you believe that we should not judge. We are to judge righteous judgement. If one judges they will be judged back.. this is truth.
Again, that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "Let those without sin cast the first stone" deal.

Jesus didn't want people to judge, he wanted people to love. That was His GREATEST commandment: To love thy neighbor.

And it's the commandment that many Christians conveniently ignore, claiming that others are inferior to them due to their beliefs or whatnot.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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A person's religious faith or lack thereof speaks to character issues and is entirely relevant in making a voting decision.

No it does not! A person's character has a lot to do with things like honesty, sincerity, dependability, creativity and so on ... it has nothing to do with their religious preferences. An atheist can have more character and be a good leader than a devout Christian who is corrupt and prejudiced and bigoted.


What does one have to do with the other? You aren't seriously trying to compare people who oppose Obama to Nazis are you?

No, of course not. I was talking about FDR. FDR was accused by Nazi sympathizers of being Jewish. Neo-Nazis even today try to perpetuate that myth.

The man has a record of supporting partial birth abortion, stripped away a relgious exemption that has stood since the founding of our nation in an attempt to court feminist voters, and used Jesus's name to justify tax increases. Frankly, people are more than justified in questioning his Christian bona fides.
You have every right to oppose Obama because his policies do not jibe with your religious sensibilities. Every candidate should be scrutinized from the voter's viewpoint, and that includes one's personal views on religious doctrines and ethics.

However, in my view, it is wrong to try to brand a candidate as a member of a religion which he or she does not belong to.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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This guy is such a phony and a hypocrite.
He's also ... gay (which contributes to the hypocracy).
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I was referring to his father Billy Graham. Franklin should know who put Obama in power and accept it. The bible says God appoints all leaders/authorities to their position, and it is not Grahams duty to play people against the leaders God appointed for the job. It is not the duty of s Christian, as the duty of a Christian is to spread the gospel.
Do you not know the free will of man causes wickedness in high places? God is in control yes. In the end we are to have great tribulation because of the rejection of God. God allows the wickedness but does not approve of it.

Do you not know that there is spiritual wickedness in high places?

Do you really believe all wicked people were placed to be respected when they are wicked? Do you not know that the evil in this world stiffels the Christians and even God's angels?

Do you think all people who rejected Christ that he did not wipe the dirt off of his feet against them?
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Again, that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "Let those without sin cast the first stone" deal.

Jesus didn't want people to judge, he wanted people to love. That was His GREATEST commandment: To love thy neighbor.

And it's the commandment that many Christians conveniently ignore, claiming that others are inferior to them due to their beliefs or whatnot.
Are you loving Reverend Graham or respect the word of God? First love God and read his word to get his complete wisdom.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Are you loving Reverend Graham or respect the word of God? First love God and read his word to get his complete wisdom.
My God really doesn't "love" anyone, as He has no emotion whatsoever. Emotion is an animal concept in my mind.

As for me "loving" Reverand Graham, I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone I have never met, and that goes for anyone, past, present, or future. But on the same token, I don't respect him either. For the same reason.
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