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You don't have to revise history to fit with the current political climate. This nation was founded on Christian principles and a majority of the founding fathers were Christians in one sense or another. Christianity in this country was accepted and unoffensive even to those who may have not believed until the 1960s. Only when the sexual revolution happened, and devout Christians protested, has Christianity become increasingly marginalized in this country. While this nation WAS a Christian nation through most of its history, it no longer is today. Atheism is now the only politically correct belief. Sex and money are the true gods of America today. Christianity is deeply offensive to many Americans because of the seemingly archaic sexual morals 4 decades after the sexual revolution.
In order for America to ever return to a Christian state, one of two things would need to happen. Either Christianity would need to become far more sexually permissive i.e. (gay is ok, sex before marriage is fine, etc), or American society would need to regress back to a less sexually permissive society. Neither of those two things have a chance of happening.
Why can't you get it through your head that,THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm assuming that you yourself are a Christian. You need to get some understanding of spiritual matters.
The bible gives us an example of a theocratic nation. One instituted by God Himself. God Himself actually lived right there in the midst of the people in the Holy of Holies. The bible gives us this picture to teach us that this model is a complete failure. God's own people, living in God's own nation were almost always in a state of rebellion against God. They continously broke all of God's laws, worshipped idols and perverted every single thing the Lord had ever taught them. They murdered God's prophets. They were only brought back into a somewhat good relationship with God after He brought severe judgements upon them. This happened again and again and again. Finally in 70 AD it came to a final end. Everything that was required to maintain this Theocracy was totally destroyed. The Temple, and the records that were necessary for the Aaronic priesthood. This was a final distruction and will never ever be reinstituted. The reason for this total distruction was the formation of a new Holy nation, a permenent, eternal and everlasting Holy nation. The only Holy nation there will ever be and that nation is the Church of Jesus Christ. It's an invisable nation who's true members are known only to God. There is no nationality to this nation but it's universal. It has nothing to do with the secular but is spiritual in nature.
This entire idea of a secular "Christian nation" is heretical to the uttermost and can only exist in the minds of badly misguided persons.
I do enjoy reading your acutely refreshing and fundamentally sound posts here on good ole CDF !!!
Perhaps you may possibly be the one member on this forum to at long last slightly penetrate the vast and seemingly unassailable minds of our crew of "Clueless Blighters" that appear to continuously ply the ole murky backwaters of mighty CDF !
I hope you may be successful in shining some light (wisdom) into those select few little ole minds ! Without doubt they need all they can possibly receive !!!!!
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Thank you, Old Sgt. Lamar, but I doubt I'm convincing anyone in this crowd!
I just happen to think it's right to put up a little resistance before what little civilization we have left finally implodes.
To me, I heard that someone close to me, was gay. so I can relate, I don't hate those who do as they do; however, my opinion is that fornication is considered a sin regardless of the motivational factor involved, and I believe to have interpreted this from the words of Christ and the words of James as well, but I could be wrong in my interpretation, please let me know.
Well, the original meaning of "porneia" (translated as fornication in modern Bibles) is a debatable meaning. Many scholars believe it condemned Greco-Roman hedonistic promiscuity, not every occasion of pre-marital sex. Especially considering marriage was through verbal mutual agreement in those days, no formal ceremony or documentation. Seems rather arbitrary that 2 people saying, "We are now married", suddenly makes something no longer a sin.
Please link to the documents that prove what you claim. You cannot! The USA was not founded as a Christian nation. That would be a Theocracy and it never was and unfortunately for some, never will be. This has been beaten to death on CD over and over again.
It wasn't founded as a Christian nation officially but was a de-facto Christian nation until the 1960s. It may not have been true Biblical Christianity, but it was Christian in name nonetheless. Atheists want to rewrite history to fit an agenda for the present. Even if America is becoming more and more atheist TODAY that doesn't change the fact we WERE a Christian nation in practice until the 1960s. Its predicted that by 2050 much of Europe will be Islamic, but that wont change the fact Europe has a rich Christian heritage.
It wasn't founded as a Christian nation officially but was a de-facto Christian nation until the 1960s. It may not have been true Biblical Christianity, but it was Christian in name nonetheless. Atheists want to rewrite history to fit an agenda for the present. Even if America is becoming more and more atheist TODAY that doesn't change the fact we WERE a Christian nation in practice until the 1960s. Its predicted that by 2050 much of Europe will be Islamic, but that wont change the fact Europe has a rich Christian heritage.
How was it Christian in name? The founding fathers were largely deistic. Jefferson was extremely anti-Christianity when it came to the supernatural claims of the religion. Washington routinely used phrases like "Nature's God", which is a very Deistic view of a supreme being. Franklin rejected the Trinity and questioned Jesus' divinity.
What exactly made the founders Christian? They would be viewed as heretical, liberal Christians in name only by every single Conservative Christian in this country by today's standards.
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Originally Posted by lucknow
Why can't you get it through your head that,THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm assuming that you yourself are a Christian. You need to get some understanding of spiritual matters.
The bible gives us an example of a theocratic nation. One instituted by God Himself. God Himself actually lived right there in the midst of the people in the Holy of Holies. The bible gives us this picture to teach us that this model is a complete failure. God's own people, living in God's own nation were almost always in a state of rebellion against God. They continously broke all of God's laws, worshipped idols and perverted every single thing the Lord had ever taught them. They murdered God's prophets. They were only brought back into a somewhat good relationship with God after He brought severe judgements upon them. This happened again and again and again. Finally in 70 AD it came to a final end. Everything that was required to maintain this Theocracy was totally destroyed. The Temple, and the records that were necessary for the Aaronic priesthood. This was a final distruction and will never ever be reinstituted. The reason for this total distruction was the formation of a new Holy nation, a permenent, eternal and everlasting Holy nation. The only Holy nation there will ever be and that nation is the Church of Jesus Christ. It's an invisable nation who's true members are known only to God. There is no nationality to this nation but it's universal. It has nothing to do with the secular but is spiritual in nature.
This entire idea of a secular "Christian nation" is heretical to the uttermost and can only exist in the minds of badly misguided persons.
How was it Christian in name? The founding fathers were largely deistic. Jefferson was extremely anti-Christianity when it came to the supernatural claims of the religion. Washington routinely used phrases like "Nature's God", which is a very Deistic view of a supreme being. Franklin rejected the Trinity and questioned Jesus' divinity.
Not all founding fathers had the same beliefs. I am aware of the Treaty of Tripoli but there are many other documents from the revolutionary area supporting Christianity.
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What exactly made the founders Christian? They would be viewed as heretical, liberal Christians in name only by every single Conservative Christian in this country by today's standards.
They were still "Christian" in name and held to Christian values and morals even though their spiritual beliefs greatly differed from modern evangelical Christianity. Evangelical Christianity in the modern sense of the term didn't gain prominence until the early 20th century.
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
- John Jay, religious fanatic, appointed by George Washington to be the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court
- John Jay, religious fanatic, appointed by George Washington to be the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court
Fortunately, we've reached a point where religious fanatics don't get elected or appointed to very many things.
but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.- The US Constitution
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