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His objection was not a faith based one but based on that he did not agree with the wars our country was fighting in.
This is a victory for our service men that have been lied to about the war by our corrupt govenment officials and corporate media.
His objection was not a faith based one but based on that he did not agree with the wars our country was fighting in.
This is a victory for our service men that have been lied to about the war by our corrupt govenment officials and corporate media.
I don't like this decision. It's sad really. He signed on the dotted line. If soldiers can pick and choose their wars after enlisting, then we have a disaster coming that we can't avert.
That said, i don't like that our soldiers are dying for nothing in these wars. But don't sign up and refuse to do your duty. I wouldn't have given him a dishonorable discharge or a BCD, but he would've gotten a General "other than honorable" Discharge.
Military members are allowed their personal opinions and I'm not arguing that.
However.
The caveat to that is when a soldier or any other military member is given a lawful order to follow then they follow that order through to the very end. Their opinions and view points on said order do not matter so long as it is lawful and just and doesn't violate the rules and regulations set in place.
My fellow veterans and other active duty military members will understand what I'm speaking about here. Military service is voluntary. Pick and choosing when and where to follow lawful orders is not.
I don't like this decision. It's sad really. He signed on the dotted line. If soldiers can pick and choose their wars after enlisting, then we have a disaster coming that we can't avert.
That said, i don't like that our soldiers are dying for nothing in these wars. But don't sign up and refuse to do your duty. I wouldn't have given him a dishonorable discharge or a BCD, but he would've gotten a General "other than honorable" Discharge.
It is NOT the soldiers duty to fight unconstitutional, undeclared wars. To suggest it is the duty of our soldiers to do so is ridiculous. Their duty is to protect and defend the Constitution, against ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. They can refuse any unconstitutional order. Unfortunately any order that is refused is not tolerated no matter how immoral the order is...
Military members are allowed their personal opinions and I'm not arguing that.
However.
The caveat to that is when a soldier or any other military member is given a lawful order to follow then they follow that order through to the very end. Their opinions and view points on said order do not matter so long as it is lawful and just and doesn't violate the rules and regulations set in place.
My fellow veterans and other active duty military members will understand what I'm speaking about here. Military service is voluntary. Pick and choosing when and where to follow lawful orders is not.
I'm former military and I agree and disagree with you. I agree that any lawful (see Constitution) order must be carried out, but most of the wars we fight are not Constitutional. Therefore it is not the duty of the American soldier to carry out such orders.
Good for him. These wars have been a disaster and the troops know it.
In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs. Survey: Veterans say Afghanistan, Iraq wars not worth it - CNN.com
Unlawful and illegal wars should never be supported and ones conscious should reign supreme over what orders others tell you to follow.
Hitler's soldiers said they were just following orders.
It did not work then and it does not work now.
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Originally Posted by adiosToreador
Military members are allowed their personal opinions and I'm not arguing that.
However.
The caveat to that is when a soldier or any other military member is given a lawful order to follow then they follow that order through to the very end. Their opinions and view points on said order do not matter so long as it is lawful and just and doesn't violate the rules and regulations set in place.
My fellow veterans and other active duty military members will understand what I'm speaking about here. Military service is voluntary. Pick and choosing when and where to follow lawful orders is not.
I'm former military and I agree and disagree with you. I agree that any lawful (see Constitution) order must be carried out, but most of the wars we fight are not Constitutional. Therefore it is not the duty of the American soldier to carry out such orders.
Just to be clear, I'm not arguing whether or not the wars we are fighting are constitutional. That's another thread and argument altogether.
I am arguing that no matter what the individual person may think or feel, if whatever order they are given accomplishes a military mission and is not in violation of the rules set forth by the branch of service they are in, then they are obligated and MUST fulfill that order.
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