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Old 02-29-2012, 12:50 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Not really.

If someone is going to die a painful excruciating death, and that is set in stone, I have no problem with euthanasia.
In other words, you're against euthanasia in 99% of the cases where it is actually applied in the real world. That's progress and common ground.

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A fetus that literally cannot survive if detatched from the womb is techically not a person yet..
Say who? You?

I disagree. I say your criteria that personhood is possible only when an infant can survive while physically "detached" from the mother is completely arbitrary with no moral standing whatsoever. Now what?

Dependency is dependency. Many children and adults cannot "go from source to source" for their sustenance: the source must come to them. Just like a fetus, they have zero choice in the matter and their lives depend 100% on another human being.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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Default After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

This is what those in the academia world are bantering about. The slippery slope has been crossed. So you have a baby and don't want it just cut it's throat it appears. Of course they will do it the "humane" way I'm sure.

This was published in the journal of medical ethics. What kind of monsters are running this ship???

"Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled. "

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? -- Giubilini and Minerva -- Journal of Medical Ethics (http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/02/22/medethics-2011-100411.full#aff - broken link)
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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As time goes on, the definitions of what is considered acceptable will continue on this same route.

By the time Obama starts his third term in 2017, this practice will most likely be commonplace in the U.S.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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And next we will have pre-death killings. Old people not of use to society anymore. My FIL predicted this. He said---'first the babies, then the old people."

This experiment was done ages ago in Rome, wasn't it?
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:38 PM
 
Location: MW
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Third trimester abortions are flat out murder. If the baby can survive on its own, you are killing a human.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
Sanger has been re-incarnated in Kathleen Sebelius.

Sebelius: Decrease in Human Beings Will Cover Cost of Contraception Mandate | CNSNews.com
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:34 AM
 
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If a person accepts the murder of unborn children in the womb, then it is a small step further to accepting murder of a newborn child. It is another small step further to killing old people who have lost their "value" to society. And then another small step to eliminate cripples, homosexuals, Gypsys, Jews, political dissidents, etc. Step by step is all it takes. On the boiling frog scale we are already about medium well.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:38 AM
 
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And next we will have pre-death killings. Old people not of use to society anymore. My FIL predicted this. He said---'first the babies, then the old people."

This experiment was done ages ago in Rome, wasn't it?
Part of the agenda of the New World Order is eugenics and a total world population of 500 million. That means that six out of every seven of us would have to cease to exist.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:43 AM
 
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yes anotehr "what if" academic paper, being blown out of proportion by the NJ's on CD
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