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Old 02-29-2012, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Darkatt View Post
What laws do we have and what punishments do we propose that violates the constitutional rights of U.S. Citizens, or those residents of Florida?
LMAO. You still don't get it. The application of Jewish law is now a vilolation of the Florida law. Any court ruling based on Jewish law (OR violates the constitution) will be VOID. Get it?

I am not going to repeat this again.

 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost View Post
Your desperate attempt at running around a very specific question is a drag on logical debate. Let me ask again:

What is this "foreign ideas and laws" about? Give examples since you see the need for this bill as law.
And YOUR desperate attempt in dodging my accurate and informed response is simultaneously humorous and sad.

However here are your examples.

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership - Tampa Bay Times

Florida judge orders Muslims to follow sharia law, against their will « Creeping Sharia

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The current mosque leaders want the case decided according to secular, Florida civil law, and their attorney has been vigorously arguing the case accordingly.
The former trustees of the mosque want the case decided according to sharia law.


Papers like this -

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/highlights/stuorgs/transnat/documents/Chandler_final.pdf (broken link)
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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LMAO. You still don't get it. The application of Jewish law is now a vilolation of the Florida law. Any court ruling based on Jewish law (OR violates the constitution) will be VOID. Get it?

I am not going to repeat this again.
And YOU DON'T GET IT, it only applies to the application of Jewish Law that VIOLATES the U.S. Constitutional rights, or state laws of Florida Citizens. Not OR violates, ONLY violates those rights.

Now ANSWER my question, What law do we have that violates the constitutional rights of a U.S. citizen?
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Darkatt View Post
And YOUR desperate attempt in dodging my accurate and informed response is simultaneously humorous and sad.

However here are your examples.

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership - Tampa Bay Times

Florida judge orders Muslims to follow sharia law, against their will « Creeping Sharia

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Papers like this -

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/highlights/stuorgs/transnat/documents/Chandler_final.pdf (broken link)
You see, the best (and perhaps the only) example you were able to come up with, was related to Muslims. Perhaps you can present one that applies to Christians, or Jews or Hindus... Do you have any?

Is that what "foreign ideas and laws" imply? Or, is there more to it?
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And YOU DON'T GET IT, it only applies to the application of Jewish Law that VIOLATES the U.S. Constitutional rights, or state laws of Florida Citizens. Not OR violates, ONLY violates those rights.
Now ANSWER my question, What law do we have that violates the constitutional rights of a U.S. citizen?
Sigh (). It doesn't have to violate any existing laws. The application of Jewish law is now a violation of Florida law. Any court ruling based on Jewish law (OR violates the constitution) will be VOID.

Court ruling are VOID if:

1. The ruling is based on Jewish/islamic/Christian/Bhuddist/Foreign etc law

OR

2. It violates the constitution, or state law

You keep thinking they created a law which says that laws which violate other laws, are now illegal, but no one is stupid enough to create such dumb law. At least not here in Florida.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Sigh (). It doesn't have to violate any existing laws. The application of Jewish law is now a violation of Florida law. Any court ruling based on Jewish law (OR violates the constitution) will be VOID.

Court ruling are VOID if:

1. The ruling is based on Jewish/islamic/Christian/Bhuddist/Foreign etc law

OR

2. It violates the constitution, or state law
Read the bill.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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LMAO. You still don't get it. The application of Jewish law is now a vilolation of the Florida law. Any court ruling based on Jewish law (OR violates the constitution) will be VOID. Get it?

I am not going to repeat this again.


No. It's not.

And by the way, there is no such thing as dissolution of marriage in Florida based on religious law. At worst, a divorce settlement/contract forged in a "religious court" will have to be taken to a lawyer to be formatted properly for use in the civil courts.

That's how it works. You have to go to the courthouse to get divorced, file a petition for dissolution, and litigate. Your church/synagogue/mosque could invalidate your marriage 1000x over, yet the state will not recognize the dissolution without you going and getting an Order of Dissolution.

Why? Because religion has nothing to do with marriage in Florida.


What I see this law as doing, however, is allowing the courts to disregard and give no force to consent decrees forged in religious settings that would otherwise violate the civil rights of the participants.

In other words, X religion wants to enforce a contract between one family and another for the bethrothal of their daughter to another one's son. That sort of nonsense is for "enforcement" by social pressure only. NOT the force of the CIVIL courts.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Read the bill.
I have read it.

You need to ask someone explain the text to you, because you are having trouble reading/understanding it.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No. It's not.

And by the way, there is no such thing as dissolution of marriage in Florida based on religious law. At worst, a divorce settlement/contract forged in a "religious court" will have to be taken to a lawyer to be formatted properly for use in the civil courts.

That's how it works. You have to go to the courthouse to get divorced, file a petition for dissolution, and litigate. Your church/synagogue/mosque could invalidate your marriage 1000x over, yet the state will not recognize the dissolution with you going and getting an Order of Dissolution.

Why? Because religion has nothing to do with marriage in Florida.
First you said it it not void, then you said it has always been void. Contradiction.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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First you said it it not void, then you said it has always been void. Contradiction.

The word "void" does not appear anywhere in my post.
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