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Old 07-26-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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Except Sanders, Pelosi, Reid and Warren are not bat**** insane, and your guy wants poor people and folks on fixed incomes to die. Big difference.
Sorry, Ms. Pelosi is dumber than a box of rocks.
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:20 PM
 
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Please provide details of Ms. Pelosi's dumb. I've met her and she's awfully sharp. She likes helping po folk like me. Your side wants me to die.
"Every week we don't pass a stimulus package 500 million Americans lose their jobs." "I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels". And last but not least, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it".
There is more but I can feel my brain fluid draining out my ear. And for the record, I don't want you to die. Go read my last reply to you regarding Medi-Cal.
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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Except Sanders, Pelosi, Reid and Warren are not bat**** insane, and your guy wants poor people and folks on fixed incomes to die. Big difference.
They are the ONLY ones who are insane.
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Thats a llittle different, they are pushing extreme bills in regards to abortion, guns etc.
Repubs in congress are obstructing to their own ideas and bills that use to be routine
3 yrs ago.

hell obama healthcare plan is the same thing repubs proposed to clinton in 1994.
This is one of those liberal memes that will never die. I think one liberal comes up with it, and others repeat it endlessly because it makes them feel smart, for which they have an insatiable need.

This one, like most, is not true:
Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate

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But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance....

Second, we sought to induce people to buy coverage primarily through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher, financed in part by a fundamental reform of the tax treatment of health coverage, rather than by a stick.

And third, in the legislation we helped craft that ultimately became a preferred alternative to ClintonCare, the "mandate" was actually the loss of certain tax breaks for those not choosing to buy coverage, not a legal requirement.
So no, it is not the "same thing." And even supposing falsely for the sake of argument that it was, just because one conservative org 20 years ago advocated a certain position does not mean that all conservatives for all time advocate that position.
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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No, you are simply making things up.

The obstructionist label was being used for bills that had enough votes to pass, but were being blocked from an up or down vote via filibuster or filibuster threat. The 'obstructionist' label was not being used for bills that simply did not have enough votes to pass.
Wow. I know this was from 2 years ago. But the repubs have controlled the house since january 2011.

Repubs bills "passed" than sent to the US senate.

It's Harry Reid who is the obstructionist. He won't even bring those bills in for an up or down vote. Those bills are dead on arrival.

Just watch if Repubs win back the US senate. When Obama starts vetoing bills left and right. Can liberals call Obama the obstructionist? Of course they won't. They will try to make up excuses like he's exerting his constitutional powers of the executive branch.
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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See, when Republicans use the republican/representative democratic process to their advantage, it's obstructive. What is it called when democrats obstruct for partisan reasons?

Statement of Governor Bob McDonnell on Senate Democrats' Unprecedented Party Line Rejection of Both Senate and House Budgets

The obvious thing, Thank God those *#$%@ Republicans have been stoped in their tracks again!!!
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:21 AM
 
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Thats a llittle different, they are pushing extreme bills in regards to abortion, guns etc.
Repubs in congress are obstructing to their own ideas and bills that use to be routine
3 yrs ago.

hell obama healthcare plan is the same thing repubs proposed to clinton in 1994.


Which they never voted for.
The Dems own it all by themselves.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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See, when Republicans use the republican/representative democratic process to their advantage, it's obstructive. What is it called when democrats obstruct for partisan reasons?

Statement of Governor Bob McDonnell on Senate Democrats' Unprecedented Party Line Rejection of Both Senate and House Budgets
When Republicans do that do you complain or just make more posts about Obama?

In terms of obstructionism, it's far more seen in the Republican party in Congress presently. More Republican seats are jerry rigged, so more of the candidates only have to worry about their party nomination. As a result, there's little they can do in their actual job without the possibility of losing their seat to some tea bagger nutjob.
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