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Originally Posted by HistorianDude
The genomics project has established that surviving native Americans are all descendants from the group that crossed the Siberian land bridge.
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There was no Siberian land bridge, and no reputable archaeologist or anthropologist would continue to support the idiotic "Land Bridge Theory" which was debunked decades ago.
Gotta love the Aleuts and others.
"We did what? You dumbasses we came by boat."
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude
So... if there were "Europeans" already here waiting for them, they must have been wiped out.
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Or absorbed. The genome project is not "gospel" and it is heavily contaminated with PC people pushing an agenda.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by SNEwx_46
damn, son.
It's just that we have much more important things to be worrying about than who was the first to live in North America.
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Apparently it was important enough for you to read and post, not once, but twice, so don't try to weasel-dick your way out of it.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea
The Clovis People. Interesting theory that seems to have some merit and at the very least poses some interesting questions about just how early primitive man arrived in North America.
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Yes, it does. I find the peopling of the Earth to be fascinating.
Making it into a race based argument is beyond idiotic.[/quote]
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea
Well, there is stupid and then apparently some people are really stupid.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
It's an interesting theory, but one that doesn't seem to have a lot of hard evidence to back it up.
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Kennewick man.
Skeletal remains were found in Washington (State) at a construction site. Local tribal groups claimed it violated their ancestry laws or something, but a federal judge with common sense put the tribal groups in their place and ordered an evaluation which included DNA testing and it proved the skeletal remains which date to circa 13,000 BCE were of European origin.
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
I recall hearing this was based off some theories that the Cherokee peoples of the Eastern US weren't thought to be genetically connected to the other Native American peoples, but I think that has since been debunked.
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I think you might have confused that with something else. There are several theories abounding, some backed by evidence, some not. I am not aware of anything to do with Cherokees.
DNA testing has refuted the idiotic Land Bridge nonsense. We know groups migrated from Central/South America into the US. That was a huge breakthrough debunking the stupid people moved through North America into Central/South America.
There are also some tribal groups in the north eastern US that are genetically similar to the Bedouins and one other group that are now situated mostly in northern Africa. If I am not mistaken those groups are part of the Algonquin Nation. That was known even before DNA testing through the use of blood types, RH Factor and certain other markers in blood.
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
Not sure why this would be in the Politics forum, either.
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It's "Politics
and Other Controversies."
I'm not even phased by that given that 'tards on this forum couldn't grasp the concept of...
...Convention against Torture
and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus
what do you mean, "that obviously isn't correct." ?
if there's one thing i can tell you, it's that the answer to this isn't obvious.
i thought the article was interesting, but you have drawn a totally flawed conclusion from it.
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Not totally flawed. We've known this for a long time, but the Politically Correct crowd constantly threw temper tantrums and shouted people down. It wasn't until Kennewick Man that the PC Pukes had to take their toys and go home.
Political Correctness has no place in education.
"Native American" is an excellent example of propaganda and political correctness.
If you want to tell the truth, then you tell people that the Americas were full of nation-States; that they were organized as a chiefdom, as a tribaldom, as kingdoms and oligarchies; some had a written language, but most did not; that they were extremely violent, constantly warring among themselves; that they practiced slavery, raiding other tribes for slaves (just like the Roman Catholic Church did to the Slavs) and that the hatred between the various tribal groups was so intense, that many tribal groups fought side-by-side with the White Man fight against their enemies.
Shortly before the White Man arrived, at least 6 known tribal groups were wiped off the face of the Earth through genocide perpetrated by tribal groups.
We have no idea how many other tribal groups might have been wiped out through genocide.
However, know you this:
Circa 400 ACE near what is now Fort Smith, Arkansas more than 100,000 people were murdered by blunt force trauma over a period of 1-5 days. This area is called the the Aikman Mounds, and they were excavated by archaeologists from the Universities of Arkansas and Washington.
The victims are believed to be members of the Hopewell Nation, who were forced to flee their lands in Ohio and environs to escape genocide. It didn't work, because in the end they were all massacred.
There is also circumstantial evidence that the Adena Nation were annihilated in a genocidal campaign.
The Adena and Hopewell are unique in that they had something in common: the were vastly taller than other tribal groups. The Adena and Hopewell were generally 6'2" to 6'6" in height, while all other groups averaged 5'2" to 5'8" in height.
In the absence of any DNA evidence, if I had to guess, I'd say those two groups were genetically related to Bedouins and another group from northern Africa.
Anyway, the bulk of the evidence now shows that the Americas (North and South) were people by groups coming out of southeast Asia by boat, from northeast Asia by boat, from Europe by unknown means and from Africa by unknown means. However, most likely the Africans came by boat.
That's what the Atlantic Ocean looked like at the end of the Ice Age before the sea levels rapid rose destroying many things. Sea levels were 600 - 800 feet lower than present (depending on the source you cite -- I use Briskine's data).
That is 600 feet lower.
The images don't do justice, but there were many, many land masses in the Atlantic Ocean then
that do not exist now, with the point being that it was much easier to cross the Atlantic than most people realize.
Archaeologically....
Mircea
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