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YOU SAID, Obama would end up in Supreme court like he has done before over religious freedoms or something to that effect. Feel free to look back at YOUR OWN POSTS.....To that I replied....name one...does that catch you up?
It never occured to me you were that out of it. This happened last month. Wake up.
"he says the interest of society of enforcing discrimination laws is undoubtedly important but so, too, is the importance of religious groups who teach their faith and carry out their mission. it's historic. it's a very strong freedom of religion decision. and surprising because it's unanimous."
Since I have to spoon feed you, have someone read you this.
"he says the interest of society of enforcing discrimination laws is undoubtedly important but so, too, is the importance of religious groups who teach their faith and carry out their mission. it's historic. it's a very strong freedom of religion decision. and surprising because it's unanimous."
Since I have to spoon feed you, have someone read you this.
this case was about someone getting fired from a church school, mostly because the didn't want to pay for her health care at all but used the Supreme Court to decide that they could pick and choose who they keep employed because they were a "church school"......None of this had ANYTHING to do with Obama, this was a lawsuit from a woman suing a church. NOT EVEN CLOSE to what we are talking about. Also, this wasn't a public entity hospital employing many religious persuasions and doing business in the public sector, it was a PURELY church issue. For which both liberals and conservatives agreed to the religious freedom issue....which is correct. AGAIN NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA IN THIS LAWSUIT OR DECISION. Is that a big enough spoon to feed you with?
this case was about someone getting fired from a church school, mostly because the didn't want to pay for her health care at all but used the Supreme Court to decide that they could pick and choose who they keep employed because they were a "church school"......None of this had ANYTHING to do with Obama, this was a lawsuit from a woman suing a church. NOT EVEN CLOSE to what we are talking about. Also, this wasn't a public entity hospital employing many religious persuasions and doing business in the public sector, it was a PURELY church issue. For which both liberals and conservatives agreed to the religious freedom issue....which is correct. AGAIN NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA IN THIS LAWSUIT OR DECISION. Is that a big enough spoon to feed you with?
Yikes, this was a religious freedom case Obama's EEOC lost. Apparently no one read you the second link which pointed out Obama's stinging rebuke in that case is analogous to this one. You really can't be that dense. Or perhaps you are.
From the link.
"The healthcare law's mandate to require religious-affiliated employers to pay for contraception for their workers has prompted two lawsuits. If the matter gets to the Supreme Court, it will go before justices who recently affirmed — in a 9-0 ruling — that the 1st Amendment gives special leeway to religious employers."
One has nothing to do with the other huh? Sheesh.
From the link.
"the federal government sued"
Time for you to stop embarassing yourself.
Last edited by shorebaby; 03-04-2012 at 09:11 AM..
Yikes, this was a religious freedom case Obama's EEOC lost. Apparently no one read you the second link which pointed out Obama's stinging rebuke in that case is analogous to this one. You really can't be that dense. Or perhaps you are.
From the link.
"The healthcare law's mandate to require religious-affiliated employers to pay for contraception for their workers has prompted two lawsuits. If the matter gets to the Supreme Court, it will go before justices who recently affirmed — in a 9-0 ruling — that the 1st Amendment gives special leeway to religious employers."
One has nothing to do with the other huh? Sheesh.
Actually, SO FAR it doesn't. The individual states are always bringing lawsuits on this and that and it is their right to do so. IF......IF (and I believe it will because it is a big topic) gets to the Supreme Court it would go before the same court ....as you said....that DID....affirm the previous case 9-0. But the facts of the case are ENTIRELY different. One case has NOTHING to do with the other. Religious entities should get "special leeway" when it comes "to their own". They do NOT get to determine things that affect the rest of us....we have freedom FROM religion as well. But hey.....good try, you always keep trying gotta give you that. You just are so seldom right.
Don't come crying when bull**** like this paves the way for bull**** like Sharia Law. You can thank our own breed religious extremist for it. Daily Show did an excellent bit on it, but it has since expired on Hulu.
Actually, SO FAR it doesn't. The individual states are always bringing lawsuits on this and that and it is their right to do so. IF......IF (and I believe it will because it is a big topic) gets to the Supreme Court it would go before the same court ....as you said....that DID....affirm the previous case 9-0. But the facts of the case are ENTIRELY different. One case has NOTHING to do with the other. Religious entities should get "special leeway" when it comes "to their own". They do NOT get to determine things that affect the rest of us....we have freedom FROM religion as well. But hey.....good try, you always keep trying gotta give you that. You just are so seldom right.
Yikes you are that dense. States aren't bringing suits, institutions are. The facts are different but the over riding principle is the same, religious freedom. There is no such freedom as freedom from religion. You must stop are completely out of your depth.
You do realize religious institutions object to providing OCs for their institutions. Dont like it? Don't work there. What Catholic institutions do has no impact on you. You clearly don't even undrstand what the issue is. Go learn something, then come back.
Last edited by shorebaby; 03-04-2012 at 09:26 AM..
Yikes you are that dense. States aren't bringing suits, institutions are. The facts are different but the over riding principle is the same, religious freedom. There is no such freedom as freedom from religion. You must stop are completely out of your depth.
In order to have freedom of religion, you must be allowed to be free from it as well. Can't have one w/o the other.
Yikes you are that dense. States aren't bringing suits, institutions are. The facts are different but the over riding principle is the same, religious freedom. There is no such freedom as freedom from religion. You must stop are completely out of your depth.
You do realize religious institutions object to providing OCs for their institutions. Dont like it? Don't work there. What Catholic institutions do has no impact on you. You clearly don't even undrstand what the issue is. Go learn something, then come back.
If they don't want to contribute to it, how do they feel about the fact the money they give their employees are spent on the very things they don't 'approve' of. Are they not enabling it?
Yikes you are that dense. States aren't bringing suits, institutions are. The facts are different but the over riding principle is the same, religious freedom. There is no such freedom as freedom from religion. You must stop are completely out of your depth.
You do realize religious institutions object to providing OCs for their institutions. Dont like it? Don't work there. What Catholic institutions do has no impact on you. You Leary don't even undrstand what the issue is. Go learn something, then come back.
Meaning, Mr Densly......that the institutions are taking it up with their "state's supreme courts", that is where the lawsuits lie....in the state where the lawsuit is filed. DUH The first amendment works for and against religion that is why there is a constant battle of seperation of church and state issues to begin with, its all in the interpretation, again DUH I'll stop when I don't see your name on the forum anymore, until then you would have to ignore me.
As to your 2nd paragraph. YES I DO REALIZE...... Duh As an employee of a PUBLIC used Catholic entity, and as a member of said PUBLIC I am not required to be a Catholic, as they cannot discriminate based on religion.....as it is NOT a religious institute such as a church or church school. Those are the ONLY Catholic entities that get to specify against common public policy items such as birth control provided by again, a PUBLIC entity such as an insurance company. This is an institution partially or even wholly owned by Catholics, doesn't give them a right to decide about a womans health issues just because they happen to own the company the woman works in( ie:hospital). PUBLIC HOSPITAL......PUBLIC....again Duh
Yikes, this was a religious freedom case Obama's EEOC lost. Apparently no one read you the second link which pointed out Obama's stinging rebuke in that case is analogous to this one. You really can't be that dense. Or perhaps you are.
From the link.
"The healthcare law's mandate to require religious-affiliated employers to pay for contraception for their workers has prompted two lawsuits. If the matter gets to the Supreme Court, it will go before justices who recently affirmed — in a 9-0 ruling — that the 1st Amendment gives special leeway to religious employers."
One has nothing to do with the other huh? Sheesh.
From the link.
"the federal government sued"
Time for you to stop embarassing yourself.
Perhaps the US should follow the course of Israel. The Repus should like that, after all, the say they are big supporters of the Israelis. Oh by the way, Israel has Universal Healtcare and mandatory participation.
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The first amendment works for and against religion that is why there is a constant battle of seperation of church and state issues to begin with, its all in the interpretation, again DUH
