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I thought there was already an ex-ACLU guy that was busted for porn a year or so ago. Now there is ANOTHER one? That's sad.
No. Same guy. He was originally arrested in February. Howling from the hyenas back then too.
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No one really puts much stock anymore in the ACLU--I think most people pretty much scoff at them whenever they are mentioned.
The ACLU actually has record and growing membership, in part because of President Bush and the dangerous right-wing agenda that he and a few here like to represent.
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Even on CSPAN they took some hard questions from the audience. The damage has been done.
Well, certainly the lies have been spread. That's what the disinformation media do. And having a C-SPAN camera on you does not unfortunately make one any less of a whack-job than what one might have been to start out with.
Laws have unintended consequences, especially in new areas like computer technology. One of the easiest ways possible to ruin someone's life would be to install child porn on their computer without their knowledge, then call the cops. Even if they eventually beat the charges, there is a fair chance they will be driven to suicide.
Yup. If I were merely accused of doing something to a child and investigated, I'd do everything in my power to kill myself. There's no point trying to rebuild your life after you've been accused of anything to do with CP or molestation or anything like that. It's one reason I stopped being a teacher. Some of my students had crushes on me, which is common, but there were a couple cases where I was actually afraid of rejecting the advances of the student because I thought she might react by making accusations. She was psycho. Fortunately I was able to deflect her energy and escape without any damage, but it scared me to death.
And this was before the USA went completely hysterical about "protecting the children." Now if you merely LOOK at a child you might as well just shoot yourself. Meanwhile, half the ads on TV feature little girls in short skirts or bikinis, and the idiotic "investigative news" programs like "To Catch A Moron" are raking in big bucks because they are catering to a prurient interest in sexuality and children. I mean, DUH! Why else are those shows so popular? Is it really because people just enjoy watching "bad guys" get arrested? No. It's suppressed desires and titillation. That show IS child porn, disguised as news. It's disgusting and predatory, yet they claim the righteous ground because they're "catching predators." Yeah... interesting twist of the word "predator." Last time I checked, gazelles don't consent to being eaten by lions. In this new definition of "predator" we would envision gazelles going online and sending comments to lions about how tasty they are, then inviting them over to eat them, but only after the lion sends pictures of his/her teeth and describes how he/she plans to eat the gazelle. Yeah, that makes sense.
The ACLU needs to be done away with or they need to have representitives from all political views. Instead they will not even allow anyone in that is not bent left.
Wrong. Anyone can join. Mostly, it's those who value the First Amendment who do though.
Yeah, I'm not thrilled with their existence, but I'd be a hypocrite if I, too, didn't defend their right to their ideals. I teach Plato and Aristotle and I find Leonidas to have been a man worth admiration in the extreme.
Interesting take on the term "ideals." In NAMBLA's case, a more accurate term might be "afflictions."
The ACLU targets communities they know do not have enough resources to fight them in the courts so they have to bow down. They are in the business of bankrupting cities and town to advance their far left wing agenda.
Wrong again. The ACLU does not target anyone. It responds to requests for assistance from members and non-members alike who believe their First Amendment rights are being violated. If a case is taken on, the typical response is to send a letter explaining in legal terms why the complainant has a valid case, and what steps the law might require the recipient to undertake in order to establish compliance. The usual result is that a letter comes back indicating that those steps will be undertaken, and that's the end of it. Hard to see how engaging in an exchange of letters might bankrupt a town, much less a city. Of course, there are those cases where a city or town, despite the law, chooses to take its case to court. Sometimes they win. Most times they lose. Sometimes they lose so badly that they are ordered to pay for the plaintiff's legal expenses. But in any case, it was their choice to take on the time and expense ultimately involved.
Wrong. Anyone can join. Mostly, it's those who value the First Amendment who do though.
The First Amendment is not, to the best of my knowledge, solely dedicated to ensuring the rights of unsavory people, and restrictive of those of everyone else. You'd never know that, though, from the activities of the ACLU, which seems to have appointed itself the cultural and social arbiter of public life in the United States.
In NAMBLA's case, a more accurate term might be "afflictions."
I don't know enough about them but I know they tend to celebrate the concept of men and boys together, correct? That would seem to be a bit more like an affliction, but if they only discuss it as fantasy and are careful to protect themselves from acting out, while providing resources to help men resolve their desires, then they could actually do some good. All I know about them is what I've learned from Bill O'Reilly, so I'm not sure I got a "fair and balanced" report. If they advocate acting out, then they are engaging in the facilitation of criminal activity. That's Bill's accusation against them.
Until I know otherwise, I'd have to agree with you that they've got an affliction and it's not one that should be defended on principles of free speech. We don't have the legal right to endanger the lives or well-being of others through speech or actions. Such speech could even fall under the heading of "terroristic threats" if it gets specific enough about the desired boys. Right? I'm no lawyer, so I'm shooting in the dark here, but I don't see how it could possibly be legal to make a public statement that you want to do something illegal with a specific person, or even a general subset of people who can be identified by certain traits. Blah blah blah... am I making any sense?
I don't know enough about them but I know they tend to celebrate the concept of men and boys together, correct? That would seem to be a bit more like an affliction, but if they only discuss it as fantasy and are careful to protect themselves from acting out, while providing resources to help men resolve their desires, then they could actually do some good. All I know about them is what I've learned from Bill O'Reilly, so I'm not sure I got a "fair and balanced" report. If they advocate acting out, then they are engaging in the facilitation of criminal activity. That's Bill's accusation against them.
Until I know otherwise, I'd have to agree with you that they've got an affliction and it's not one that should be defended on principles of free speech. We don't have the legal right to endanger the lives or well-being of others through speech or actions. Such speech could even fall under the heading of "terroristic threats" if it gets specific enough about the desired boys. Right? I'm no lawyer, so I'm shooting in the dark here, but I don't see how it could possibly be legal to make a public statement that you want to do something illegal with a specific person, or even a general subset of people who can be identified by certain traits. Blah blah blah... am I making any sense?
You make sense to me. This issue is not pleasant to contemplate.
The way I understand it, the ACLU got involved through the efforts of the parents of a young boy to bring NAMBLA to justice for the brutal rape, murder, and dismemberment of their son. The ACLU is supporting NAMBLA's contention that the existence of the NAMBLA website does not constitute an incitement to the crime, but merely free expression of their vulgar ideology. This although NAMBLA apparently publishes seduction techniques and ways to ingratiate onesself with the parents of boys.
Whew. Excuse me while I go outside for some fresh air....
Interesting take on the term "ideals." In NAMBLA's case, a more accurate term might be "afflictions."
While I agree, they view them as ideals. Though I did mean to type ideas. heh But look at Socrates, for example. He is, in many ways, the definition of my life. Yet, he had many sexual relationships with young boys.
Are you at all surprised? The ACLU is THE most despicable organization in the US of A. The ACLU guys DEFENDED a website that teaches grown gay men to lure, kidnap, rape, and then try to avoid being caught. So how can you even be surprised the head of the ACLU is arrested for kiddy porn. These people are sick!
The ACLU thrives in the destruction of American children. The ACLU should be shut down immediatelly and it's memebers all investigated for their crimes against the American people. That includes trying to have terrorists released, trying to starngle American intelligence, trying to help sexual predators kidnap our children, for helping convicted criminals vote from jails and prisons....
The gay-child molester website the ACLU fought to defend teaches stuff like the NAMBLA publication he calls "The Rape and Escape Manual." Its actual title is "The Survival Manual: The Man's Guide to Staying Alive in Man-Boy Sexual Relationships."
THE ACLU LOVES NAMBLA AND CAN CARE LESS ABOUT THE KIDS WHO ARE RAPED AND BRUTALIZED THANKS TO ITS SICK LEFTY-WING AGENDA! The ACLU should have it's special romm in HELL where it belongs with it's child rapists!
No wonder the ACLU is often reffered to as the American Criminals Liberty Union.
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