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Old 03-07-2012, 10:45 PM
 
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I think that abolishing 90% of government is a very good thing. Most libertarians would agree. No worries there. You disagree, fine.
Most libertarians are fake libertarians, Ron Paul style.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Why call someone a moron? Why not discredit their argument with facts, rather than ad hominem attacks?
Because their own official platform flat out states the very definition of anarchy and they think we are too stupid to figure out their true agenda. That makes Libertarians morons, because nobody is that stupid except for them.

"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." -- Platform | Libertarian Party
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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  • Libertarians are not libertarians;
  • Republicans are not conservatives; and
  • Democrats are neither liberals nor progressives.
They all claim to be something they are not.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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Because their own official platform flat out states the very definition of anarchy and they think we are too stupid to figure out their true agenda. That makes Libertarians morons, because nobody is that stupid except for them.

"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." -- Platform | Libertarian Party
I guess it's the same reason why Democrats don't call themselves what they really are: socialists. It's why the Republican party doesn't call themselves what they really are: fascists. I agree with you that there isn't much of a difference between what I associate with the libertarian party and the anarchist movement, and that's just fine with me.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I guess it's the same reason why Democrats don't call themselves what they really are: socialists. It's why the Republican party doesn't call themselves what they really are: fascists. I agree with you that there isn't much of a difference between what I associate with the libertarian party and the anarchist movement, and that's just fine with me.
Make no mistake, socialists can be just as fascist as any right-winger. Just ask Obama, FDR, or Stalin. Fascism just requires a dictator, it does not matter if it is a right- or left-wing dictator, they are still a fascist.

At least that is one thing we need not fear from the Libertarian Party. Anarchy is the antithesis of fascism.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Because their own official platform flat out states the very definition of anarchy and they think we are too stupid to figure out their true agenda. That makes Libertarians morons, because nobody is that stupid except for them.

"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." -- Platform | Libertarian Party
Same link:

3.1 National Defense
We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression.
The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as
policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Make no mistake, socialists can be just as fascist as any right-winger. Just ask Obama, FDR, or Stalin. Fascism just requires a dictator, it does not matter if it is a right- or left-wing dictator, they are still a fascist.

At least that is one thing we need not fear from the Libertarian Party. Anarchy is the antithesis of fascism.
Obama, FDR, and Stalin are NOT socialists.
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: NC
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Because their own official platform flat out states the very definition of anarchy and they think we are too stupid to figure out their true agenda. That makes Libertarians morons, because nobody is that stupid except for them.

"The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power." -- Platform | Libertarian Party
What kind of a moron are YOU?

Do you understand even for a moment what AUTHORITARIAN power is?? It is the kind of power where the ruling class expects absolute obedience from you, and any dissent is dealt with an iron fist. You want that kind of power? I certainly don't. Nor does 99% of the people, libertarian or not.

You saying it 100 times over doesn't make Libertarianism Anarchism. More over, stop acting as if the Libertarian Party platform, right or wrong, embodies all aspects and ideas of libertarianism. At the very least, Google the definitions of Libertarianism and Anarchism.

Gosh, people are stupid.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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What kind of a moron are YOU?

Do you understand even for a moment what AUTHORITARIAN power is?? It is the kind of power where the ruling class expects absolute obedience from you, and any dissent is dealt with an iron fist. You want that kind of power? I certainly don't. Nor does 99% of the people, libertarian or not.

You saying it 100 times over doesn't make Libertarianism Anarchism. More over, stop acting as if the Libertarian Party platform, right or wrong, embodies all aspects and ideas of libertarianism. At the very least, Google the definitions of Libertarianism and Anarchism.

Gosh, people are stupid.

Authoritarians are a silly bunch. They like to decide what freedoms are best for you.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Americans have been, for a long time, center right people. They want as little government intervention into their private lives as is possible.

Most people like social safety nets, as those aren't seen as intrusion into private lives, but when behavior is linked to those safety nets, then people get their dander up.

Keep the country safe, make sure if people are working they are feed, clothed, housed, and taken care of when sick, and leave the rest of it the hell alone.

Thats the general American publics ideal political position.
I think I have found my dream candidate.

Vote Memphis1979
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