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Old 03-03-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Did I ever say he was doing a super job? Personally, I give the guy a C for performance. But the current crop of Republican candidates is a joke--unless you live in a right wing echo chamber. As an educated person, I couldn't justify voting for such people.
Are there any Republicans that you like?
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Yes, I am now a feminazi apparently. (read with sarcasm)

Seriously, I consider myself a moderate/liberal.
Could you be more specific? What's moderate about your liberal views? Is that even possible?
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
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As a teacher I have absolutely NO respect for you to bring your political views into the classroom!! You are a mentor and have influence on these young minds... Let them make up their own minds without you corrupting them.... Home schooling looking better and better!!!
You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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For YEARS (15+) I have taught history and civics without EVER telling my students my personal political views. I have always refused to answer the questions "who did you vote for" or what do you think about...". I have always presented (and will continue to do so) both sides fairly and acurately. I even have had kids in the past give me books like "Tears of a Clown" by Glenn Beck and "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" by Coulter to read. Many of them probably assumed that I was conservative because I did't hide the fact that I was a Christian. I never wanted to have any influence on them by stating my own peference.

I have now come out of the closet, and will admit I'm a Democrat, because of the Republican candidates (not including Ron Paul). I've done this because I don't want them to think that I would have anything to do with these..... well, I'll be nice and call them people. I will now let them know that I will vote Obama. I will let them know that I like Ron Paul and respect his views, and I could be happy with him as president (but he's a bit radical).

The right wing has just gotten insane and I won't allow any of my students to have the mistaken idea that I would support any of them.
Actually, it's not your job, OR your place to tell any student who you support or do not support. YOUR job is to be neutral in your teaching of history and civics. You should not influence any student, you should teach them to open their eyes, and think for themselves. If they swing democrat, or republican, that's their choice, not yours.

Who you vote for, like or dislike isn't relative to teaching these children civics or history. Make sure they can read and conduct research. Introduce them to the constitution, and our amendments. Teach them the truth, little things like the Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free the slaves, ONLY those in the south. Slavery was alive and well in the north until Dec 6th, 1865 when the constitutional amendment was ratified. In other words your job isn't to politically persuade them or indoctrinate them, it's to educate them to make decision on their own based on logic, research and common sense.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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For YEARS (15+) I have taught history and civics without EVER telling my students my personal political views. I have always refused to answer the questions "who did you vote for" or what do you think about...". I have always presented (and will continue to do so) both sides fairly and acurately. I even have had kids in the past give me books like "Tears of a Clown" by Glenn Beck and "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" by Coulter to read. Many of them probably assumed that I was conservative because I did't hide the fact that I was a Christian. I never wanted to have any influence on them by stating my own peference.

I have now come out of the closet, and will admit I'm a Democrat, because of the Republican candidates (not including Ron Paul). I've done this because I don't want them to think that I would have anything to do with these..... well, I'll be nice and call them people. I will now let them know that I will vote Obama. I will let them know that I like Ron Paul and respect his views, and I could be happy with him as president (but he's a bit radical).

The right wing has just gotten insane and I won't allow any of my students to have the mistaken idea that I would support any of them.
Keep your personal views out of the classroom.

You are not paid to indoctrinate other people's children into liberalism; the Founding Fathers set it up that way.

Would you want a radical Islamist, Wiccan, or Devil-Worshipper to teach YOUR kids?
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Keep your personal views out of the classroom.

You are not paid to indoctrinate other people's children into liberalism; the Founding Fathers set it up that way.

Would you want a radical Islamist, Wiccan, or Devil-Worshipper to teach YOUR kids?
I see nothing wrong with any of these people teaching children as long as they teach the subject matter neutrally.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I like the "coming out of the closet" part. Makes it sound as if being a Democrat is something to be ashamed of. And you know what...it is!!!!
Being a democrat is not shameful. While I don't subscribe to many of their political stances, it in no way means that I should ridicule or ignore them. My son in law is a liberal democrat, and we have had several disagreements, but NEVER have I ever been nasty to him like your statement is.

Disagreements should be discussed using logic and reason, not hate and ridicule.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Why are you all attacking Miamiteacher. All she said is that she was not going to hide her political affiliation anymore when asked. She is not volunteering the information. She has stated that she respects all political views, is not interested in indoctrinating the students, and wishes to teach them how to think critically and analyze issues objectively. I am a conservative and originally I was having fun with her post - but I saw she is genuinely concerned about her students education and is not teaching in a biased manner. Chill out all.

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Believe it or not, because I was so non-committal, I think that they assumed that I was a Republican. I love the fact that these kids were interested in politics and will encourage them, whatever their political leanings. I think that apathy is the worst thing in our society and want to get people out there to vote. That is the basis of our democracy. I don't want a bunch of mindless automatonons (sorry if this is spelled wrong) I think that if we teach our children to think for themselves we can raise a generation of children that can keep this republic going. I don't want to use propaganda and other bull**** to brainwash our children. Let, us be bold enough to teach kids to THINK. My views may differ from yours, but, I have enough respect to give facts and not propaganda.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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Could you be more specific? What's moderate about your liberal views? Is that even possible?
Oh, come on------you know, moderate in your totalitarianism, moderate in your confiscatory thievery, moderate in your pedagogic self-righteousness, moderate in your hatred of all things American, moderate in your baby butchering.........

You know, everything is o.k. in moderation, in a liberal's worldview.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Actually, most of my students are moderate/liberal. But, your comment gave me a funny visual. I just am so fed up with the likes of Rick, Newt, and Mitt that I will now answer the question, "Who will you vote for?" Because I WILL NOT vote for THEM.
As we here in Boston like to say: That's a wicked shocka!

I dont care what class you teach, in my opinion a teacher needn't, or frankly shouldn't, confide in his/her minor students their political leanings. If you receive a book from one of them which you find politically distasteful, you should smile and just quip "I'll take it under advisement" and say "thank you". They'll understand and respect you for your restraint. In addition, you should be a warm recipient of all opinions, not just those to which you agree. As the teacher you should be the confident moderating voice. It sounds as though you are not.

You certainly can disagree with me and do not need to follow my suggestions but just be prepared to find out later that you were no one's favorite teacher.

Unless, of course, you're a hot babe. Then all bets are off!
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