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Old 03-03-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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about who really has freedom of religion and it sure is not any Christian in school. Nope, secularists can say anything they want to to Christian kids about their religion, now.

A precedent in this case has been set, but not the one hoped for. The precedent that was set allows teachers to verbally abuse, ridicule and harass the religious beliefs of any student and they can do so in the classroom in front of other students.

Yet on the opposite side of the issue, courts have upheld restrictions placed on students expressing their religious views in the classroom. They are not allowed to defend their beliefs but are now forced to sit and take the abuse from the faculty.

Freedom of speech and religion now only applies to anti-Christians and Muslims, but not for Christians.



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Old 03-03-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You have the right to believe as you wish. You do not have the right to be protected from ridicule for having such beliefs.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Or, as the rest of us call it (because that's ... well ... it's name): the Ninth Circuit Court.

So, since the Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal, and since it only takes four Justice to grant cert, there were at most three Justices who had any issue with the lower court's decision -- and maybe none of them at all did.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Good call by the 9th Circuit and SCOTUS. I applaud them.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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about who really has freedom of religion and it sure is not any Christian in school. Nope, secularists can say anything they want to to Christian kids about their religion, now.

A precedent in this case has been set, but not the one hoped for. The precedent that was set allows teachers to verbally abuse, ridicule and harass the religious beliefs of any student and they can do so in the classroom in front of other students.

Yet on the opposite side of the issue, courts have upheld restrictions placed on students expressing their religious views in the classroom. They are not allowed to defend their beliefs but are now forced to sit and take the abuse from the faculty.

Freedom of speech and religion now only applies to anti-Christians and Muslims, but not for Christians.



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As Mark Twian said “Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool"

Reading the ruling and what was presented in the case, the decision did not alter the freedom of speech or religion for anyone, in any way.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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As I like to do in such cases, I had to have a look at the judges behind this ruling.

The original decision came from District Court Judge James Selna, appointed by President George W. Bush.

The three-judge Ninth Circuit panel that issued the unanimous ruling which the United States Supreme Court has judged worthy of standing consisted of two Clinton appointees and one Reagan appointee.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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about who really has freedom of religion and it sure is not any Christian in school. Nope, secularists can say anything they want to to Christian kids about their religion, now.

A precedent in this case has been set, but not the one hoped for. The precedent that was set allows teachers to verbally abuse, ridicule and harass the religious beliefs of any student and they can do so in the classroom in front of other students.

Yet on the opposite side of the issue, courts have upheld restrictions placed on students expressing their religious views in the classroom. They are not allowed to defend their beliefs but are now forced to sit and take the abuse from the faculty.

Freedom of speech and religion now only applies to anti-Christians and Muslims, but not for Christians.



Supreme Court Okays Teachers
This is a sorry day, indeed. Definitely time for people of Faith, Families of Traditional Values, Social Conservatives, Constitutionalists to pull your kids from the public schools. The trashing of Christianity and traditional values has been going on for quite a while, although usually snuck in through the literature books, but the door is now wide open for it. Religious freedom is being washed away.

The progressive left will not stop until Christianity is silenced. This is necessary for them to be able to change all the cultural mores & live totally guilt free. They have gotten as far as they have due to their mostly sneaky educational indoctrination. They have come far enough, having infiltrated our courts and taken over our educational systems to feel comfortable taking off their masks. Unless we make a decisive victory in November, the game may be over. Pass the word. Get to the polls. Support your beliefs. Fight the fight.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Christians will live.

[ridicule is not new - they'll carry on]
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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You have the right to believe as you wish. You do not have the right to be protected from ridicule for having such beliefs.
You do know that the ACLU even argues against the public school system being able to deride religion?
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You do know that the ACLU even argues against the public school system being able to deride religion?
The ACLU is wrong a lot of the times. Their position is probably based on fearing Muslims and other non-Christians will be ridiculed, not that teacher ridicule is unconstitutional.

The ridicule is wrong. This is a school board issue. Was this brought up to the school board first?
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