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Old 03-12-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Austin
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"We the people" has absolutely NOTHING to do with paying taxes. They didn't even have taxes back then..

Go back to school and ask for a conservative professor.. You won't post information like this after class..
Uh, hello! Yes, they did have taxes back then. Don't you remember the whole premise of the original Tea Party? Taxation without representation? They had tariffs and other taxes as well. They just didn't have income taxes. My liberal unbiased professors taught me that. But since you did open that can of worms, slavery was legal back then and women had no rights. I'm sure many conservative professors and tea baggers would love to live in that kind of society again though none of them have the balls to admit it.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Austin
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It is a derogatory term for gay people. I always knew the left was bigoted, but reading cd confirms it for all to see.

Obviously, you do not know what the word 'fact" means.... get a dictionary and look it up sometime.

You should really study history as well.... the New Deal, while needed, was not what led to the booming economy. The fact that we were rebuilding all the countries destoyed in WW2 was what got the economy going. Also the Erie canal was not built during the Great depression
My mistake about the Erie Canal. It was rebuilt during the Great Depression because it was getting old and rusted up. The rest of the history I shared with you is true. I didn't know that tea bagger was considered derogatory for Tea Party members or gay people, but I know ****** is for the latter. I know exactly what fact means just FYI.

Last but not least, the tea baggers are in no position to judge what's "derogatory" when they make disparaging comments all the time about Obama, minorities, women, people on welfare, and gay people. They suffer from what I call "projectile dysfunction" or the pot calling the kettle black in that they accuse others of doing the same things they do.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Austin
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it's the politics of selfishness.

Everyone wants their own benefits increased, and their own taxes lowered, and they don't want to be told that it's impossible.
Yes, how very right you are. Selfishness is an understatement. The conservatives never cease to amaze me when they gripe about poor people living on welfare, but none of them lament about the corporate fat cats getting bailouts. For every one penny they spend on social welfare, they spend $100 on corporate handouts. That's one reason I voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election.

Alas, they have this mindset where the middle class are supposed to pay all the taxes and cater to the rich but the wealthy paying taxes is such a horrible atrocity. I don't recall any poor people on welfare running ponzi schemes or Bernie Madoff being abandoned and stuck on the rooftop when Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans. It's socialism whenever we help out the poor and middle class but good for business whenever we give money to the rich. I stand by my original statement when I said the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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Yes, how very right you are. Selfishness is an understatement. The conservatives never cease to amaze me when they gripe about poor people living on welfare, but none of them lament about the corporate fat cats getting bailouts. For every one penny they spend on social welfare, they spend $100 on corporate handouts. That's one reason I voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election.
Not quite. The Tea Party was started to protest bailouts. And a majority of Democrats voted for those bailouts. Including Mr Obama.

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Alas, they have this mindset where the middle class are supposed to pay all the taxes and cater to the rich but the wealthy paying taxes is such a horrible atrocity. I don't recall any poor people on welfare running ponzi schemes or Bernie Madoff being abandoned and stuck on the rooftop when Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans. It's socialism whenever we help out the poor and middle class but good for business whenever we give money to the rich. I stand by my original statement when I said the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Fine, continue to stand by it. It's a free country and you can be wrong all you like.

As for me, I will stand by reason and reality rather than liberal ideology. Lower taxes = more prosperity for everyone, rich and poor alike. Lower social sevices = less dependency and more self sufficiency and self worth. 40 years of the Great Society and War on Poverty have produced more poor than ever before.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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Not quite. The Tea Party was started to protest bailouts. And a majority of Democrats voted for those bailouts. Including Mr Obama.


Fine, continue to stand by it. It's a free country and you can be wrong all you like.

As for me, I will stand by reason and reality rather than liberal ideology. Lower taxes = more prosperity for everyone, rich and poor alike. Lower social sevices = less dependency and more self sufficiency and self worth. 40 years of the Great Society and War on Poverty have produced more poor than ever before.
Oh, I see so you think minorities don't deserve any opportunities because that's what the Great Society was all about. It was to initiate affirmative action. Let me guess! Poor people deserve no assistance either because they're all lazy. Yep, you sound like a typical tea bagger. Thank you for showing your true colors!
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:44 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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trickle down theory:

give the rich more of a tax break, so they can invest more money to make more money. as they make more money, the companies make more money and hire more people.

unlike the democrat method: tax the people more in order for them to give only protected classes money that came from someone elses pocket, thereby making the person who was taxed morfe, less able to provide for themselves and their family.

democrats say they love the poor, but they love the poors money more.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Not quite. The Tea Party was started to protest bailouts.
And then it took its eye off the ball, and became an astroturf campaign for the GOP.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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And then it took its eye off the ball, and became an astroturf campaign for the GOP.
I'm not so sure about that... the few I know are dyed in the wool Paul supporters.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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trickle down theory:

give the rich more of a tax break, so they can invest more money to make more money. as they make more money, the companies make more money and hire more people.

unlike the democrat method: tax the people more in order for them to give only protected classes money that came from someone elses pocket, thereby making the person who was taxed morfe, less able to provide for themselves and their family.

democrats say they love the poor, but they love the poors money more.
Yes, but the trickle down theory has been proven many times over to be ineffective because many companies also outsource jobs overseas because the CEO's want to make more money. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer over trickle down economics. Giving the rich tax breaks didn't create more jobs over the past decade, either. The Edwards Deming Model has been proven to be much more effective. That's the kind that the Germans and the Japanese adopted after World War II. It goes a little something like this:

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  • Create constancy of purpose toward improvement of product and service, with the aim to become competitive, stay in business and to provide jobs.http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Adopt the new philosophy. We are in a new economic age. Western management must awaken to the challenge, must learn their responsibilities, and take on leadership for change.http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Cease dependence on inspection to achieve quality. Eliminate the need for massive inspection by building quality into the product in the first place.http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • End the practice of awarding business on the basis of a price tag. Instead, minimize total cost. Move towards a single supplier for any one item, on a long-term relationship of loyalty and trust.
    Improve constantly and forever the system of production and service, to improve quality and productivity, and thus constantly decrease costs.
    Institute training on the job.
    Institute leadership (see Point 12 and Ch. 8 of "Out of the Crisis"). The aim of supervision should be to help people and machines and gadgets do a better job. Supervision of management is in need of overhaul, as well as supervision of production workers.http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Drive out fear, so that everyone may work effectively for the company. (See Ch. 3 of "Out of the Crisis")http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Break down barriers between departments. People in research, design, sales, and production must work as a team, in order to foresee problems of production and usage that may be encountered with the product or service.http://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
  • Eliminate slogans, exhortations, and targets for the work force asking for zero defects and new levels of productivity. Such exhortations only create adversarial relationships, as the bulk of the causes of low quality and low productivity belong to the system and thus lie beyond the power of the work force.
a. Eliminate work standards (quotas) on the factory floor. Substitute with leadership.
b. Eliminate management by objective. Eliminate management by numbers and numerical goals. Instead substitute with leadership.
a. Remove barriers that rob the hourly worker of his right to pride of workmanship. The responsibility of supervisors must be changed from sheer numbers to quality.
b. Remove barriers that rob people in management and in engineering of their right to pride of workmanship. This means, inter alia," abolishment of the annual or merit rating and of management by objective (See Ch. 3 of "Out of the Crisis").
Institute a vigorous program of education and self-improvement.
Put everybody in the company to work to accomplish the transformation. The transformation is everybody's job.
"Massive training is required to instill the courage to break with tradition. Every activity and every job is a part of the process."[
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