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Old 03-12-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979 View Post
1 person, one vote. No one persons vote should be better then any others, right?
You have to know better than that one man one vote crap where the President is concerned. Actually those two gentlemen did a great job of explaining the electoral college system and only people who don't know our Constitution and want it done away with would think that we will ever amend the Constitution to do away with the Electoral College.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The electoral college is a travesty and an outdated relic of a bygone era. One person, one vote is the only fair way to have an election.
In all your wisdom do you know why the Electoral College was written into the Constitutiion? I am really wondering if you do. I would tell you why it won't be changed any time soon but you would ignore the truth so why bother?
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No, we don't need it.

One man, one vote, let's have a true democracy.
To run a true democracy, as you seem to think we can, we would have to bring those over 100 million people together and then vote. The Constitution created a representative republic and you don't really know why a democracy wouldn't work in a nation as large as ours. You need to do some studying and then watch that video.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Didn't watch the video, eh?

I'm not surprised. I'd have expected nothing more than zero effort from you, burdell.

If you did watch the video (and I'm quite certain you didn't), perhaps you'd like to provide a counter to Whittle's argument against using a popular vote for the President. At least then we'd be able to tell if you actually took the requisite nine minutes required to properly engage in this discussion.
Not many of these lefties do that. They consider something like that a waste of time since there might be something educational in one of them. They know that they can protect their already made up lefty minds better by not letting any new thoughts get in there.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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OK, I watched the entire video. Frankly, it's propaganda masquerading as factual information.

Bill Whittle is either an idiot or a liar. He presented so many misrepresentations in those short nine and a half minutes (less the lead-in and wrap-up by the "Politi-Chicks") that it would take pages of typing to refute what he said.
Surely it wouldn't take so many pages to take care of your left leaning unknowing mind and what it doesn't know about the topic. I am ready to argue with you if you want to start. Pick out one thing they said that is not true and I think I can convince a thinking mind that they, not you are right.
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Old 03-13-2012, 04:02 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You have to know better than that one man one vote crap where the President is concerned. Actually those two gentlemen did a great job of explaining the electoral college system and only people who don't know our Constitution and want it done away with would think that we will ever amend the Constitution to do away with the Electoral College.
The president gets elected to a one man executive from the peoples votes.

If no one person is better then any others, the it should be one man, one vote.
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:40 AM
 
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^ yes if left to a popular vote California, New York and Florida would decide the Presidency forever.
Make that NYC, not NY State. I live in the middle of a Dem-enrolled but Rep-voting area of NY State. You need to look town by town, county by county, but you will find that NY State is very diverse in voting -- we just never get to show it as the state is bogged down with NYC numbers
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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No, we don't need it.

One man, one vote, let's have a true democracy.
You don't want a democracy, that is why our founders set up a republic.

A democracy is four wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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No, we don't need it.

One man, one vote, let's have a true democracy.
The problem with a true democracy is that it inevitably favors urban populations over rural populations. It's never one man, one vote. Numbers control the government. And since urban populations have different agendas than rural populations, and urban populations outnumber rural ones, urban citizens votes count for more. And when that happens, urban populations reap the benefits, and make rural populations pay for it.

We need the electoral college not only to partially address the fundamental imbalance in democracies, but also because elections aren't just about who wins. The first time cavemen sat around a fire and said let's vote on it, fishing or hunting tomorrow? It wasn't just about which choice won, it was about people having a say. We call "people having a say" a conversation. When we hold elections, we have a prolonged period before the actual vote--so people can participate in the conversation. Elections in any representative form of government, even in Iran, are opportunities for citizens and leaders to have a back and forth conversation. It's not just a time for leaders to tell us what they are going to do for us (though that's how it's often portrayed in the media), it's a time for citizens to tell leaders how they've failed, where they've succeeded, what direction we want them to take.

Getting back to democracies and how they favor urban populations, if you remove the electoral college you disenfranchise rural populations because you take them out of the conversation. There is hardly any incentive for candidates to engage rural citizens as it stands now. The scheduling of primaries, and a drawn-out contest like the current Republican race bring campaigns to rural areas, but otherwise, it's easier and more efficient (time-wise and cost-wise) to focus on urban areas. And since urban interests and rural interests often clash, but urban interests are driven by greater numbers, candidates aren't stupid, they pander to urban interests. We need strategies to offset this imbalance. And the electoral college is one of those strategies.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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That's not a point that Whittle was making, he was just stating a demostratable fact and therefore it's not open to discussion.

You did watch and understand the entire video that you linked, didn't you? Why can't you recite any of the points Whittle was making?
Why do you have to play games? If you disagree with something he said in the interview, then you should be able to elaborate on that, without help from anyone else.
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