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Old 03-13-2012, 11:01 AM
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Location: Wisconsin
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Judge's 'conflict of interest' re: voter ID law (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1553356 - broken link)

Republicans want the state judicial commission to investigate why Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan "failed to maintain the appearance of impartiality" in the voter ID case.
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But his group has learned that prior to Flanagan issuing his ruling, the judge had signed a petition advocating for the recall of Governor Walker, "essentially making public his political opposition to Governor Walker. Now, what he should have done is recuse himself, given that this is a clear conflict of interest," Sparks suggests.


Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Do your homework. The second judge who issued the PERMANENT injunction is NOT the same judge.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Reality
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There is NOT ONE SINGLE INSTANCE of this happening in Wisconsin.
That's pretty easy to claim when you make it a point to oppose any measure that would allow it to be proven. How could it ever be caught if you block the only way of catching it?
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Ok here is how state judges can do that. In America there are 2 sets of laws state and federal. Also each state has its own constitution. Now state constitutions cannot violate the federal constitution, but they can be different from the federal constitution. State judges work with state laws/state constitutions and federal judges work with federal laws/the federal constitution. Therefore when dealing with state law just because some state restriction on a person's ability to engage in an activity is allowed under the federal constitution doesn't mean that same restriction will be allowed under state constitutions.

Normally I figure that GOPers would understand federalism and the 10th amendment but obviously not.
Interesting read:

FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Article VI: Annotations pg. 2 of 5
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: NC
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As I said state constitutions cannot violate the federal constitution, but they can be different and offer people more rights.

Take this hypothetical. Say I like to hunt foxes and the state legislature passes a law banning fox hunting. I can take the matter to the SCOTUS and may tell me that there is noting in the federal constitution that prevents states from banning fox hunting and uphold the law.

Now say my state has in its state constitution a right to hunt and fish. I can then try to get the fox hunting law struck down in my state by going to the state courts and saying that even though nothing in the federal constitution prevents the state from banning fox hunting the state constitution bars the state legislature from passing laws prohibiting me from hunting foxes and a judge very well could agree with me, that in my state specifically, the state legislature cannot ban fox hunting.

That is how it works generally, and that is how a state judge can overturn a law that the SCOTUS did not.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Ok here is how state judges can do that. In America there are 2 sets of laws state and federal. Also each state has its own constitution. Now state constitutions cannot violate the federal constitution, but they can be different from the federal constitution. State judges work with state laws/state constitutions and federal judges work with federal laws/the federal constitution. Therefore when dealing with state law just because some state restriction on a person's ability to engage in an activity is allowed under the federal constitution doesn't mean that same restriction will be allowed under state constitutions.

Normally I figure that GOPers would understand federalism and the 10th amendment but obviously not.
So you're OK with the states that DO implement Voter ID laws then?
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Wisconsin judge issues permanent halt to voter ID law | Reuters

A Wisconsin judge issued a permanent injunction on Monday blocking the state from implementing a new law requiring voters to present identification at polling stations


Hopefully, after we re-call Walker, we will be able to get rid of all the other damage he has tried to do to our state.

Judges do not have the authority to usurp power delegated to the state representatives.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: NC
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So you're OK with the states that DO implement Voter ID laws then?
Depends. It is a very complicated question.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Wisconsin judge issues permanent halt to voter ID law | Reuters

A Wisconsin judge issued a permanent injunction on Monday blocking the state from implementing a new law requiring voters to present identification at polling stations


Hopefully, after we re-call Walker, we will be able to get rid of all the other damage he has tried to do to our state.
Sorry, that "permanent" block will be appealed to.......your supreme court.

There has been an election with this law in place....no problems reported. Imagine that.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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There is NOT ONE SINGLE INSTANCE of this happening in Wisconsin. In point of fact the ONLY instance of voting problem was at the counting level, not the voting level and voter ID has no impact on that issue. In point of fact our assembly is also under investigation for breaking the open meeting law in the way they did redistricting in an attempt to control election results and the redistricting they did may also soon be legally over turned.
The argument that fraud is not happening therefore we don't need to prevent it, is bogus. It's so silly it hardly even needs to be rebutted - most rational people realize that crime prevention is a good thing.

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One must wonder just how much confidence the Republicans have in their positions when they feel they must prevent the people from actually voting in order to win.
Actually, I find it to be the opposite. Given that participation in society on almost any significant level requires photo ID, what does that say about the Democrats that they are terrified of people having to show one to vote?
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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Do your homework. The second judge who issued the PERMANENT injunction is NOT the same judge.

Conflict of interest.
Flanagan got the ball rolling here.

I did my homework and found a conflict of interest in "Judge" Flanagan.
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