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Old 03-14-2012, 01:06 AM
 
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It's real simple. You raise taxes on the wealthy and cut defense spending. Along with reasonable, moderate cuts to Medicare involving lower payments to health care providers, insurance companies, and mild patient care rationing.

You actually are standing in the way of all this because you fall for GOP propaganda every time. You simply believe and repeat everything they tell you.

Get it through your head. YOU and other right wing voters are the reason for the budget deficits and sky high health care costs.
Yes it is that simple comrade. LOL. You think raising taxes and cutting the military will solve this. Raise taxes on the evil rich 10% and cut defense spending in half and that won't even pay for this nonsense let alone pay for the nonsense they have coming down the pike. It's simple fact, proven over and over again, the more money they have the more they spend. Taking MORE is not the answer. Spending LESS is.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Yes it is that simple comrade. LOL. You think raising taxes and cutting the military will solve this. Raise taxes on the evil rich 10% and cut defense spending in half and that won't even pay for this nonsense let alone pay for the nonsense they have coming down the pike. It's simple fact, proven over and over again, the more money they have the more they spend. Taking MORE is not the answer. Spending LESS is.
Don't confuse him anymore.. He would have to actually think and reason and he hasn't been told how to yet.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:29 AM
 
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Yes he even managed to slip race into a discussion about CBO figures. LOL. The left never forgets to fall back on what they know their little playbook. Pathetic is what it is. Raise taxes and all will be fine. It's getting to the point we've been telling these jokers anymore where there is no point to work when you see all your money taken away. That is of course what they want, not the supporters of this nonsense as they aren't smart enough to understand what's going on.

"In every declining civilization there is a small "remnant" of people who adhere to the right against the wrong; who recognize the difference between good and evil and who will take an active stand for the former and against the latter; who can still think and discern and who will courageously take a stand against the political, social, moral, and spiritual rot or decay of their day."

I think I know what side we're on.

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Old 03-14-2012, 05:14 AM
 
Location: it depends
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No. I reckon the lower life expectancy in Russia is caused by their excessive alcoholism, sky high homicide rate, obesity, smoking, and traffic accidents.
That is not much of an advertisement for living in a government-run society. First the communists, then the crony capitalists.

Maybe freedom is good for health, and we ought to work for more of it instead of continuing to chip away at it.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:09 AM
 
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Of course you won't hear about it...because it's a lie.

Here is the report. Please tell where says anything close to what the Washington Examiner is saying?

You're too lazy to even research this for yourselves.

No wonder you vote GOP.

http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/c...0Estimates.pdf
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that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion
CBO | CBO Releases Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act

Raining all over your hate-filled ignorant-ass post...

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Old 03-14-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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Great. Where can I see the Republican plan to address healthcare costs? Is there a link?

Yes- here you are

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GO...lan_061709.pdf


Now let us examine the fact that we are $16 trillion in debt. Obama has just added another expensive entitlement that we cannot afford. Now how dumb was that?
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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As I said in my post, healthcare will become more expensive whether or not Obamacare comes to fruition.

The only country that comes close to America in population is Indonesia, (population about 240 million) which happens to be one of the poorest countries on Earth. To compare healthcare systems between the two would be redundant because of this fact.

Russia (population 143 million. Roughly half of America's) provides universal healthcare to all of it's citizens. And it does so despite the fact that Russians are multiple times as unhealthy as Americans and that Russia has only one third of America's gdp per capita.

China, which has a population that is more than four times America's, and is countless times more poor, is implementing a healthcare reform that will give all of it's citizens access to a hospital that will not bankrupt them. Universal healthcare is within reach|Comment|chinadaily.com.cn

Universal healthcare will come to America and it is long overdue. Those who oppose such a system will just have to get over it because it is inhuman to deny someone healthcare because they cannot pay!
You could have thrown in Cuba, as well. And that's what you want for this country? Every country you mention has a two-tiered healthcare system. There is one level of care for the average joe--and that care is atrocious. And there is another level of care for the society's elite. Guess which is better? UHC is achieved by a process of leveling. All care (except for the elites) is brought down to a lowest common denominator--it's a race to the bottom. Sure, it doesn't cost you out of pocket but the care is substandard. UHC is a hollow promise.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What a biased and misleading headline and thread.

This is from the actual CBO report:

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CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period (see Table 1, following the text).3
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The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally. Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion.

The net cost was boosted by an additional $168 billion in estimated costs for Medicaid and CHIP and $8 billion less in estimated revenues from the excise tax on high-premium health insurance plans. But those increases were more than offset by a reduction of $97 billion in the projected costs for the tax credits and other subsidies for health insurance provided through the exchanges and related spending, a reduction of $20 billion in the projected costs for tax credits for small employers, and a reduction of $107 billion in deficits from the projected revenue effects of changes in taxable compensation and penalty payments and from other small changes in estimated spending.

This report also presents estimates through fiscal year 2022, because the baseline projection period now extends through that additional year. The ACA’s provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012–2022 period (see Table 2, following the text); that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources). The addition of 2022 to the projection period has the effect of increasing the costs of the coverage provisions of the ACA relative to those projected in March 2011 for the 2012–2021 period because that change adds a year in which the expansion of eligibility for Medicaid and subsidies for health insurance purchased through the exchanges will be in effect. CBO and JCT have not estimated the budgetary effects in 2022 of the other provisions of the ACA; over the 2012–2021 period, those other provisions were previously estimated to reduce budget deficits.
Get it? They added a year. The previous measured period was 2012–2021. Now it's 2012–2022. So of course the projection rises!

The Washington Examiner is nothing but a shill news source. Without that extra year, the 2012-2021 cost actually dropped by $50 billion.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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Russia (population 143 million. Roughly half of America's) provides universal healthcare to all of it's citizens. And it does so despite the fact that Russians are multiple times as unhealthy as Americans and that Russia has only one third of America's gdp per capita.
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The crisis in Russia's health care system has continued for a number of years. Despite the large number of hospitals and a huge army of medical doctors, they been unable to provide people with an acceptable level of health care services. This is mainly due to a continued lack of funds, medical and technical equipment and supplies, and, finally, to the ineffective organization of health care delivery services. As a result, the quality of services and their accessibility remains quite low.
The Crisis of Russian Health Care and Attempts at Reform | RAND

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China, which has a population that is more than four times America's, and is countless times more poor, is implementing a healthcare reform that will give all of it's citizens access to a hospital that will not bankrupt them. Universal healthcare is within reach|Comment|chinadaily.com.cn
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The seemingly universal health coverage in China actually disguises the still extremely low level of benefit that most people receive. Out-of-pocket payment for health services remains higher than 50 percent in most regions of the country.
This past summer, when I visited one of China’s richest counties, someone informed me that a farmer had to pay the equivalent of his annual net income for a stomach cancer surgery. Still preoccupied with G.D.P. growth, local governments, which are supposed to finance about 70 percent of all public health spending, have few incentives to spend much on health care.
China's Health Costs Outstrip G.D.P. Growth - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

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Universal healthcare will come to America and it is long overdue. Those who oppose such a system will just have to get over it because it is inhuman to deny someone healthcare because they cannot pay!
Not until you figure out how to pay for your other entitlement programs.

Also, please tell the president to run on the platform of Obamacare is going to bring us into a UHC system like Russia and China. I'd love to see an absolute blow out with Obama left crying at the end of the day on Michelle's shoulder.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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What a biased and misleading headline and thread.

This is from the actual CBO report:

Get it? They added a year. The previous measured period was 2012–2021. Now it's 2012–2022. So of course the projection rises!

The Washington Examiner is nothing but a shill news source. Without that extra year, the 2012-2021 cost actually dropped by $50 billion.
Hey, it's the Moonies. Well the American Moonies leader, Bill Kristol.
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