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I don't think it will make much difference. Most of the haters on this site and at the various "protests" have already made up their minds and want blood. I don't think they want facts.
My bet is that this will turn out a lot like the Duke rape case. The accused guys are already tried and convicted in the media and by the "haters" long before the truth or any investigative results come out.
Trayvon was just standing his ground. After being stalked and confronted by a total stranger, he felt threatened. Zimmerman needs to be arrested.
Thanks for another eyewitness account.
It might be best to shut the hell up until we let a jury hear the evidence. I am certainly in favor of an arrest. But it may all simply stop at the point of the grand jury investigation, if this is the only eyewitness testimony.
You're not seeing it. Do you know all the potential statutory crimes that Zimmerman could be charged with in the State of Florida? Do you know what actions are considered criminal intent in the State of Florida or what possible mistake of fact could diminish criminal intent? Do you know anything about this police department and their past history? What do you think he meant when he said, "these guys always get away?" Do YOU have any idea clearly what Zimmerman intended to do with that gun? What does speedy trial, or a person's life on hold have to do with anything?
The police department could care less if Zimmerman's life is on hold. If Zimmerman broke a law, he will be charged. A special prosecutor has been appointed and a Grand Jury is convening to look at all the evidence and decide what to charge Zimmerman with. Many people will be celebrating if and when he is charged. The fact that Zimmerman claims to be screaming like a little girl for help won't keep him from being charged, if it is at all possible to charge him.
Zimmerman waived his right to claim self defense when he broke multiple rules directives and decided to take matters in his own hands. In support of this position, he (1) broke the watch group rules by pursuing Trayvon when the direct rule is to report the action to the police and step aside, (2) ignored a direct police instruction to not pursue, (3) he shot a minor (with a 9mm semi-auto gun, by the way) who was feet away from the residence where he was staying, and who apparently decided to defend himself. Then Zimmerman shot the minor when he apparently was getting his rear end kicked, and now claims self defense.
By carrying the gun, disobeying direct instructions from the police, ignoring rules of the homeowner's association he claims to have been protecting, pursuing Trayvon, then by his own words "confronted" Trayvon, he waived his right to self-defense.
There's no witnesses, except for the girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon. According to the girlfriend, Trayvon thought he lost him, but he didn't, and now he's dead.
If Zimmerman doesn't get charged, he will need to lose 50+ pounds, shave off that beard, dye his hair, move far away, change his name, and then he might live.
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Originally Posted by EdwardA
People are throwing the power to arrest very loosely. Although we have a right to a speedy trial often times in murder cases especially it can take years to go to trial. At which time if an individual can't post bail they are incarcerated and even if they do post bail their life is in virtual suspension, try getting a job while you;re awaiting trial for murder.
The power to arrest is very serious and is rightfully protected in the Constitution. There needs to be clear evidence to charge/arrest Zimmerman and I'm not seeing it.
So the 911 tapes of Zimmerman out of breath chasing after Trayvon are wrong or the distinctive cry for help of a very young male are wrong or the place where the attack occured... which was not near Zimmermans original sighting meaning that Zimmerman followed Trayvon was wrong or Zimmerman carrying a gun on a "neighbourhood patrol" was OK.
The facts are yet to be properly determined but to not arrest Zimmerman and go forward with a trial is wrong, wrong, wrong!
Here's an article in the Boston Herald that runs down some of the half truths running around in this case. Some I have debunked on this thread especially the one about refusing to confiscate Zimmerman's gun.
Lets see what the "mob" has to say about all this. I'm sure the "witness" is a plant by the police or is simply lying because the "witness" is a racist too. On and on it goes. The quest to burn this zimmerman guy at the stake on national TV will not be stopped.
According to this witness, Trayvon did not simply "stand his ground", he ATTACKED.
Did you see something different? Where were you standing when you saw it?
I agree that Zimmerman should be arrested, let out on bail, and tried for murder. And ALL facts should be brought out at the trial, and judgement and punishment given out accordingly.
So if Martin physically beat up his stalker, that is an attack and not considered standing his ground? But if the stalker confronts and then shoots his victim who tries to defend himself against the stalker, he is not an attacker just a guy standing his ground?
You're not seeing it. Do you know all the potential statutory crimes that Zimmerman could be charged with in the State of Florida? Do you know what actions are considered criminal intent in the State of Florida or what possible mistake of fact could diminish criminal intent? Do you know anything about this police department and their past history? What do you think he meant when he said, "these guys always get away?" Do YOU have any idea clearly what Zimmerman intended to do with that gun? What does speedy trial, or a person's life on hold have to do with anything?
The police department could care less if Zimmerman's life is on hold. If Zimmerman broke a law, he will be charged. A special prosecutor has been appointed and a Grand Jury is convening to look at all the evidence and decide what to charge Zimmerman with. Many people will be celebrating if and when he is charged. The fact that Zimmerman claims to be screaming like a little girl for help won't keep him from being charged, if it is at all possible to charge him.
Zimmerman waived his right to claim self defense when he broke multiple rules directives and decided to take matters in his own hands. In support of this position, he (1) broke the watch group rules by pursuing Trayvon when the direct rule is to report the action to the police and step aside, (2) ignored a direct police instruction to not pursue, (3) he shot a minor (with a 9mm semi-auto gun, by the way) who was feet away from the residence where he was staying, and who apparently decided to defend himself. Then Zimmerman shot the minor when he apparently was getting his rear end kicked, and now claims self defense.
By carrying the gun, disobeying direct instructions from the police, ignoring rules of the homeowner's association he claims to have been protecting, pursuing Trayvon, then by his own words "confronted" Trayvon, he waived his right to self-defense.
There's no witnesses, except for the girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon. According to the girlfriend, Trayvon thought he lost him, but he didn't, and now he's dead.
If Zimmerman doesn't get charged, he will need to lose 50+ pounds, shave off that beard, dye his hair, move far away, change his name, and then he might live.
You are wholly misinformed. Please return with a better understanding of this case and come back and respond with less emotion. I can't really respond to posts littered with falsehoods about this case such as the only "witness" being a girlfriend on the other end of a phone call.
So the 911 tapes of Zimmerman out of breath chasing after Trayvon are wrong or the distinctive cry for help of a very young male are wrong or the place where the attack occured... which was not near Zimmermans original sighting meaning that Zimmerman followed Trayvon was wrong or Zimmerman carrying a gun on a "neighbourhood patrol" was OK.
The facts are yet to be properly determined but to not arrest Zimmerman and go forward with a trial is wrong, wrong, wrong!
Maybe he was out of breath because he was in a fight?? Nah zimmerman is probably an ultimate fighter too, a racist ultimate fighter, and he wouldn't be out of breath from a little tussle or gotten treatment from the paramedics afterwards either. Maybe they can get him and Kimbo Slice into a monster pay per view??
Apparently there was an eyewitness to the whole episode, that ended with teenager Trayvon Martin getting shot by George Zimmerman in a Florida neighborhood. And that eyewitness is telling a very different story from what pundits such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (who were not there) are telling us.
The witness says that he saw the teenager Martin attack Zimmerman and bring him down to the ground; and that Trayvon Martin was on top, beating up on Zimmerman who lay on the ground, yelling for help.
If what the witness says is true, this could lend a lot more credibility to Zimmerman's statements that he shot to defend himself.
But this runs against the opinions that many people (including myself) had already formed: That Zimmerman stalked the teenager and shot him as he ran away.
Since the eyewitness's testimony runs so counter to the conclusions people have already drawn, will the eyewitness testimony be ignored, and people start rioting over the "brutal racial killing" they are so sure happened? When maybe it didn't happen that way at all?
Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012 - broken link)
Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT
ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
(snip)
But one man's testimony could be key for the police.
"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.
(snip)
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
This is precisely why i've been saying all along......."let due process run it's course." I've been disgusted by the number of people....of every race.....lynching George Zimmerman in the court of public opinion without one thought or care as to how this event might actually have played out in reality.
It's absolutely disgusting the circus that this tragedy has spawned. Black people have been in the front of the line....followed by white sympathizers. All of them should be ashamed for how they've portrayed this event without keeping check on their emotions and without having the facts in hand to support their emotions.
Disgusting.
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