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Old 03-21-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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....."AND subject to the jurisdiction."
is in reference to children of foreign diplomats and invading armies. the legal status of the parent has no bearing on US citizenship status ( see the recent proposed AZ bill on the subject ).
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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is in reference to children of foreign diplomats and invading armies. the legal status of the parent has no bearing on US citizenship status ( see the recent proposed AZ bill on the subject ).


And tourists.....



The welfare state that has been created in the USA, is a magnet and a cancer to the nations sovereignty, on so many levels.

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Old 03-21-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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And tourists.....
nope.

tourist, resident alien or illegal has zero baring on US citizenship.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Citizen and natural born citizen, have been defined in the US Constitution.
Wrong.

Neither is defined in the US Constitution.

Once again we are confronted with the fundamental Constitutional illiteracy of Birthers.

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The former has to do with the allegiance of the parents, not parent.
Wrong.

Only the latter has any dependence on the allegiance of the parents, and even then only when the birth takes place overseas.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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To illegal or in which one parents is illegal, you are a united states citizen. Unless you are the child of diplomats, enemies of the united states, or in service to a sovereign you are a united states citizen. Hopefully the birthers will be able to understand the document they so love by actually flipping reading it from once.

What if you are a pregant tourist from Japan that gives birth in US hospital and you don't want you kid to be an American? I am sure that the parents will have something to say about stealing their kids.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You forgot this little qualifier, "AND subject to the jurisdiction." Babies born on our soil from illegal alien parents are subject to the jurisdiction of their parent's homeland, not ours.
The US Supreme court called [MOD CUT/language] on that claim more than a century ago.

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The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country. Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 1, 18b; Cockburn on Nationality, 7; Dicey Conflict of Laws, 177; Inglis v. Sailors' Snug Harbor, 3 Pet. 99, 155; 2 Kent Com. 39, 42.
US v. Wong Kim Ark (1897)

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Old 03-21-2012, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What if you are a pregant tourist from Japan that gives birth in US hospital and you don't want you kid to be an American?
Tough luck.

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I am sure that the parents will have something to say about stealing their kids.
Who cares what they say?
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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What if you are a pregant tourist from Japan that gives birth in US hospital and you don't want you kid to be an American? I am sure that the parents will have something to say about stealing their kids.
the parent has no say in who a country does/doesn't grant citizenship to ( not sure what you mean by "stealing"). but......... in this scenario the child would be a dual citizen at birth. US thru jus soli and japanese thru jus sanguinis.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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To illegal or in which one parents is illegal, you are a united states citizen. Unless you are the child of diplomats, enemies of the united states, or in service to a sovereign you are a united states citizen. Hopefully the birthers will be able to understand the document they so love by actually flipping reading it from once.
Well, according to social authoritarians AKA "conservatives" (the primary make up of the birthers), technically you don't need to be born... you're a person at conception.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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The US Supreme court called bullsh*t on that claim more than a century ago.

US v. Wong Kim Ark (1897)
The only thing that grants BRC is the interpretation of the 14th in the DoS Foreign Affairs manual which uses WKA incorrectly to give BRC to children of illegal immigrants.
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