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Old 03-24-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Socializing it is no answer either.
What republicans offered in 1993 was probably more socialist solution than what we have now.
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Socializing it is no answer either.
What is the answer. Conservatives have already voiced their answer over and over...let 'em die.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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What is the answer. Conservatives have already voiced their answer over and over...let 'em die.
So true. Only a few would admit it openly, but that is what it comes down to. Republicans would rather let those without insurance die than pay taxes for a universal healthcare system.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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What is the answer. Conservatives have already voiced their answer over and over...let 'em die.
And liberals would bankrupt the US for something blatantly unconstitutional.

Oh wait....their hero is well on his way to doing it.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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And liberals would bankrupt the US for something blatantly unconstitutional.

Oh wait....their hero is well on his way to doing it.
No. Most liberals would support tax increases and spending cuts to fund it. And there is nothing unconstitutional about providing healthcare to unemployed and poor people.
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Old 03-25-2012, 03:58 AM
 
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UHC is cheaper than the present setup anyway. The average European sees less dollars and cents of his taxes go to government health care than Americans.

The whole "I'd cost more!" hue and cry is a myth. UHC has proven cheaper than the current system, per person and in terms of GDP, everywhere. And America has the economics of scale.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:10 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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HEALTHCARE SOUNDBITES:

I love the ideal of universal health care and the "right to access it".
There's a problem - it's not a right. Government has criminalized or restricted access to medical care and medicine. You can only buy and sell care and medicine, by government's permission and licensing.

FIRST POINT: There is no "right" to healthcare if government requires permission (licensing) and criminalizes the unlicensed practice.
SECOND POINT: Greed was behind the push for licensing, not incompetence. Licensing created scarcity and boosted income of physicians.
THIRD POINT: Allopathic medicine was accorded the monopoly over dispensing potent medicines, and other schools of medicine were driven out or downgraded as "quackery".
FOURTH POINT: Inflated costs are directly attributed to government, abusive tort laws, monetary debasement, taxation, not to forget to mention that you cannot buy medicine without permission (prescription) bought from a government licensed person. And you can only buy it from another government licensed person, who buys his stock from other licensed entities.

If you wish UNIVERSAL and affordable health care, you must get the government out of the way.
Government is the cause for:
[] Inflation [] Administrative overhead [] Taxation [] Scarcity [] Licensing

How about this:
UNIVERSAL health care means everyone can care for anyone to the best of their ability - and you exercise free choice.
[] Decriminalize giving health care;
[] Decriminalize the trade and possession of medicine and equipment;
[] Expand opportunities for medical education;
[] Offer credentials (not licenses) by supervised examination, regardless of where or how one learned medicine - including apprenticeships;
[] The only government function is to be a credential bank available to the public; and
[] Eliminate tort abuse with "Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!" - and nothing more.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:26 AM
 
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No. Most liberals would support tax increases and spending cuts to fund it. And there is nothing unconstitutional about providing healthcare to unemployed and poor people.

So the party that pays few taxes dosnt mind a tax increase for something that will benefit them. No surprise there.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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And there is nothing unconstitutional about providing healthcare to unemployed and poor people.
Yes, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to compel one to labor for the benefit of another... it's called involuntary servitude.

In fact, to get the "authority" to dispense public funds to private recipients requires one to VOLUNTARILY enroll into FICA / Socialist Insecurity.

That is the only way to bypass the constitutional limitations and specific delegations of power.

Remember, no State can impair the terms of a contract...
Well, you signed a doozy when you enrolled into FICA.

A. No law compels participation in FICA.
B. No law punishes non-participants in FICA.
C. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse - and it's slavery.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to compel one to labor for the benefit of another... it's called involuntary servitude.

In fact, to get the "authority" to dispense public funds to private recipients requires one to VOLUNTARILY enroll into FICA / Socialist Insecurity.

That is the only way to bypass the constitutional limitations and specific delegations of power.

Remember, no State can impair the terms of a contract...
Well, you signed a doozy when you enrolled into FICA.

A. No law compels participation in FICA.
B. No law punishes non-participants in FICA.
C. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse - and it's slavery.
According to that argument social security, Medicare etc are all unconstitutional. Everyone is forced to pay into them. It it not a choise.
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