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Old 09-12-2007, 02:12 PM
 
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NOT! Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears - Press Release
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Your mind
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You're really going to trust a "fair, nonbiased study" done by the right-wing anti-environmentalist Hudson Institute? I'm sure the Creation Science League could come up with some "study that shows hundreds of scientists disagree with at least part of the theory of evolution," too, but that doesn't mean you should put stock in it.
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:54 PM
 
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The IPCC has already debunked the "consensus". They found that there was a 90% certainty that humans have played a role in global warming. Thats 10% certainty that humans have not played a role. And playing a role is a different story than being the main cause. So there is no consensus that humans are the main cause of global warming. Only a consensus that we have played a role, and that role is debatable.
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:15 PM
 
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"So there is no consensus that humans are the main cause of global warming. Only a consensus that we have played a role, and that role is debatable."

Apparently not that debatable, according to the report... :

(from Wikipedia)

"WGII acknowledges some of the difficulties of attributing specific changes to human caused global warming, stating that "Limitations and gaps prevent more complete attribution of the causes of observed system responses to anthropogenic warming." but found that the agreement between observed and projected changes was 'Nevertheless ... sufficient to conclude with high confidence that anthropogenic warming over the last three decades has had a discernible influence on many physical and biological systems.' "

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't trust wikipedia, look it up on your own time.
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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It is all a straw man argument, they are arguing a point you never made. The majority of scientists have come to the conclusion that human activity has affected global climate changes. So the wing-nut opposition claims that they have scientific support that humans are not the primary cause. Which was never even a conclusion being made. It’s entertaining when it it happens because you cant believe there are suckers who don’t see the difference and just run with it. It also shows how blind to the data they really are.
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Sitting on a bar stool. Guinness in hand.
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Default Sick of air Pollution

Put it this way. Even if G.W is not happening I want off fossil fuels sooner rather than later. This is because of all the childhood and adult asthma out there. Yeah I know some people on this forum are in areas where there is nice country air and you can breathe easy. But I ain't and so are a lot of others. So my stance is, I don't care if there is or if there ain't G.W. I just want to be able to go out for a run without choking on the air outside.

Article is a little dated but here you go.

Air quality in America
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:03 PM
 
Location: South Central PA
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A researcher in Erie, PA and confirmed by a Penn State researcher found that saltwater when subjected to a certain radio frequency is actually combustable up to 3000 degrees. The researcher is asking for federal money to try to implement this into cars and power generation. It's virtually impossible anytime in the near future to run out of salt water... *points at ocean*

The earth as dealt with CO2 buildups before, and heat management, Krakatowa, Cataclysmic meteors. I have faith that the earth will right itself.
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:28 PM
 
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it's amazing how many people consider global warming to be a political issue and somehow the lunatic left wing along with SCIENTISTS are just making this stuff up! Anybody who thinks human activity hasn't impacted our world needs to pull their brains out of their rear.
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:36 PM
 
Location: South Central PA
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it's amazing how many people consider global warming to be a political issue and somehow the lunatic left wing along with SCIENTISTS are just making this stuff up! Anybody who thinks human activity hasn't impacted our world needs to pull their brains out of their rear.
I don't think we know enough about global warming to blame it on humans as of yet. Was it humans that caused the little ice age from the 1500-1800's?

"Mini Ice Age" May Be Coming Soon, Sea Study Warns

The thing is that the earth has a cycle. It's what has allowed plants and animals to live for millions of years. If you think that our measly race of only about 10,000 years of organization can even remotely destroy the world's billions of years of cycles and evolution, I think you are wrong.

(That dosent take away from the fact that I still push for renewable resources of energy and US derived sources to limit political liabilites and supporting unfavorable governments)
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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A researcher in Erie, PA and confirmed by a Penn State researcher found that saltwater when subjected to a certain radio frequency is actually combustable up to 3000 degrees. The researcher is asking for federal money to try to implement this into cars and power generation. It's virtually impossible anytime in the near future to run out of salt water... *points at ocean*

The earth as dealt with CO2 buildups before, and heat management, Krakatowa, Cataclysmic meteors. I have faith that the earth will right itself.
Wow, I totally agree with you! This is two days in a row that I've completely agreed with someone I've never agreed with before.. and, yes I'm going a little conspiracy theorist here, when you think about the polar ice melting and the oceans rising... maybe that's Mother Natures way of turning on the neon sign and pointing at the fuel of the future..
and I'm being dead serious here.. I read about the saltwater thing earlier today and thought it sounded really interesting and your post just made a lightbulb click on.. thanks
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I don't think we know enough about global warming to blame it on humans as of yet. Was it humans that caused the little ice age from the 1500-1800's?

"Mini Ice Age" May Be Coming Soon, Sea Study Warns

The thing is that the earth has a cycle. It's what has allowed plants and animals to live for millions of years. If you think that our measly race of only about 10,000 years of organization can even remotely destroy the world's billions of years of cycles and evolution, I think you are wrong.

(That dosent take away from the fact that I still push for renewable resources of energy and US derived sources to limit political liabilites and supporting unfavorable governments)
and now you've got me agreeing with two posts in a row? what the fudge happened?
good post man
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