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Typical liberal. And by liberal, I mean both Democrats and the RINOs running the Republican party these days.
LOL. I'm a liberal/progressive. Save your fingers for something more productive next time.
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It's medical costs. It's college tuition. It's housing costs. It happens over and over again. Liberals meddle in some sector of the economy with government entitlements, grants, and loans, then prices skyrocket when they destroy the market with inefficiency and crony capitalism and the removal of competition and individual responsibility, and then when it gets out of control they blame capitalism and want government to fix it with regulations and need even more bueaucracy and taxes to enforce those regulations. When everything would have been fine all along if they'd just left it alone in the first place.
See, the government wouldn't need to come up with a solution for the trillion dollar cost of healthcare if government hadn't started subsidizing healthcare to begin with. If it weren't for LBJ and his Great Society, costs wouldn't have been spiralling out of control for the past 40 years and we wouldn't be at this crisis point.
Sorry for the interruption. You can't wait to go back into the old position you were enjoying until Obamacare interruputed, I'm sure.
The costs will go down as a key element is cost containment- that mislabeled rationing. Already millions are getting care who otherwise wouldn't- those until 26, with pre-existent problems and such.
Of course, Medicare-Medicaid for all would be even cheaper, as their overhead is minimal-2%. The problem is medical costs that the feds can make go lower. Romney-care is working just fine. In 2014, the full import of the Affordable Caaare Act - Obama-cares- fructifies.
The full OMB Report notes that in subsequent years the budget goes down. Con-job-servatives are as usual distorting the report.
Look for Justices Roberts, Scalia and Kenney to favor the act as constitutional! Check with Fact-Check and Poliit-facts for real information on this wonderful act.
I voted yes because of certain aspects of ACA. I am against the individual mandate to purchase private insurance. They should've passed a public option.
1 in 3 people are on medicare/caid now.
Estimated fraud is over $50 billion. Do you realy wanna see med fraud at $150 billion?
I thought the number was more like 1 in 6 (most expensive ones on Medicaid are Medicare enrollees). The funny thing about your argument is that dealing with and incentives against Medicare/Medicaid fraud is a big part of Obamacare and a lot of it was presented to y'all as "deathbed for Grandma". I guess conservatives' grandmas can't survive without fraud.
The problem began back in the 1980's when a few new entrants into the market, particularly in the heavy-industrial Midwest, began selling "short-sighted" plans to blue-collar employers -- no claim forms, low-deductibles, coverage for pregnancies, auto accidents, and bar-fight injuries, but no Major Medical for an aging labor force. That destabilized the financing of Blue Cross/Blue Shield; it began in Michigan and Ohio and spread outward from there.
We now have a large contingent of baby-boomers, mostly on "bare bones" policies, or no coverage at all, seeking to bridge the gap between their lapsed full coverage and Medicare. "Single payer" sounds like a good deal for them, until they recognize that single payer will eventually force all of us into the socialized ghetto that is Medicaid (and diminish the quality of "traditional" Medicare in the process).
It's one of socialism's dirty little secrets that the native-born blue-collar elderly are one of the most neglected groups in Europe -- look into the several thousand in substandard housing who died during a heat wave in the summer of 2003. And while it might not be what Barry-O and his friends have in mind, it's what's likely to (d)evolve.
I am a huge proponent of healthcare reform, but not this bill and not the bureaucracies it put into place. The bill gutted Medicare and introduces new boards and such to make medical decisions. Unnecessary and, in my opinion, not the function of the government.
People claim that the AHA is akin to the Swiss system. I agree with the comparison, but I disagree with the conclusions drawn by the Obama administration/Democrats, particularly when you examine what happens in Switzerland. If you look at the Swiss model, healthcare per capita has increased over time - the administration has claimed that costs decrease. The average healthcare premium for the 'basic' coverage is nearly $400/mth per citizen. And that premium is risk-adjusted, meaning if you have a lot of health problems, you pay more. And on top of that, you will need private insurance for such things as dental treatments or more specialized care. Healthcare in Switzerland still comprises nearly 11% of their GDP (17% here). Out of pocket expenses are still on the rise for Swiss citizens, unlike the promises made here.
So, if you adopt the Swiss model, tell the truth about it and the implications for the costs.
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