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Old 03-28-2012, 06:12 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This is a good article, and it clearly explains that it is the Federal Government that the Constitution limits. The Federal Government, according to the Constitution, has no authority over the States.

This is a must read.

Blog: Which Government Does the U.S. Bill of Rights Limit?
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:35 AM
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I have always believed in States Rights over the Federal Government that is why the State of Ohio took action with Obama's mandated Health Care Law passing a Constitutional Amendment through the democratic process.

It won't be worth the paper it is written on though if the Supreme Court allows OCare but it looks like it will be shot down.
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: West Egg
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The incorporation of the Bill of Rights (or incorporation for short) is the process by which American courts have applied portions of the U.S. Bill of Rights to the states. Prior to the 1890s, the Bill of Rights was held only to apply to the federal government. Under the incorporation doctrine, most provisions of the Bill of Rights now also apply to the state and local governments, by virtue of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.
Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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LoL, more BS from the American Stinker that flies in the face of the history of the United States.

The enforcement of the bill of rights was pretty slipshod before 1868 to allow for slavery and treaten all those undesirables anyway way people liked. Getting rid of the Bill of Rights enforcement across all states would allow for all sorts of crap to happen again. Such as theocratic state governments, the reintroducing of slavery, stopping women (or anyone else) from voting, limit speech and even stop people from owning guns.

The effort to have the Bill of Rights apply to state governments was long, hard, bloody, and exposed a hypocritical undercurrent to the "God-given" rights Americans of the era professed to cherish. Now these people want to stop it in order to give people "freedom"?

Are people really this gullible or ignorant of US history?
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: North America
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LoL, more BS from the American Stinker that flies in the face of the history of the United States.

The enforcement of the bill of rights was pretty slipshod before 1868 to allow for slavery and treaten all those undesirables anyway way people liked. Getting rid of the Bill of Rights enforcement across all states would allow for all sorts of crap to happen again. Such as theocratic state governments, the reintroducing of slavery, stopping women (or anyone else) from voting, limit speech and even stop people from owning guns.

The effort to have the Bill of Rights apply to state governments was long, hard, bloody, and exposed a hypocritical undercurrent to the "God-given" rights Americans of the era professed to cherish. Now these people want to stop it in order to give people "freedom"?

Are people really this gullible or ignorant of US history?

How about willfully ignorant.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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LoL, more BS from the American Stinker that flies in the face of the history of the United States.

The enforcement of the bill of rights was pretty slipshod before 1868 to allow for slavery and treaten all those undesirables anyway way people liked. Getting rid of the Bill of Rights enforcement across all states would allow for all sorts of crap to happen again. Such as theocratic state governments, the reintroducing of slavery, stopping women (or anyone else) from voting, limit speech and even stop people from owning guns.

The effort to have the Bill of Rights apply to state governments was long, hard, bloody, and exposed a hypocritical undercurrent to the "God-given" rights Americans of the era professed to cherish. Now these people want to stop it in order to give people "freedom"?

Are people really this gullible or ignorant of US history?


Prior to the Fourteenth Amendment, the Bill of Rights only applied at the federal level. It was the language of the Fourteenth Amendment which extended the rights prescribed by amendments one through eight to the states.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

There was no "slipshod" enforcement of the Bill of Rights prior to 1868 because the language of the Fourteenth Amendment didn't exist so as to require it.


Maybe next time you could do the reading assignment before commenting.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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LoL, more BS from the American Stinker that flies in the face of the history of the United States.

The enforcement of the bill of rights was pretty slipshod before 1868 to allow for slavery and treaten all those undesirables anyway way people liked. Getting rid of the Bill of Rights enforcement across all states would allow for all sorts of crap to happen again. Such as theocratic state governments, the reintroducing of slavery, stopping women (or anyone else) from voting, limit speech and even stop people from owning guns.

The effort to have the Bill of Rights apply to state governments was long, hard, bloody, and exposed a hypocritical undercurrent to the "God-given" rights Americans of the era professed to cherish. Now these people want to stop it in order to give people "freedom"?

Are people really this gullible or ignorant of US history?
Are people that childish because the share a different opinion that they have to resort to childish twisting of a name?

I guess that makes them feel superior.

So much for respecting others opinions.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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This is a good article, and it clearly explains that it is the Federal Government that the Constitution limits. The Federal Government, according to the Constitution, has no authority over the States.

This is a must read.

Blog: Which Government Does the U.S. Bill of Rights Limit?
It's not a must read, since everyone with a 7th grade civics education already knows that the 14th Amendment incorporated the Bill of Rights to apply to the States.

I take it you would have no problem if your state decided to allow police to break down your front door, and search your entire house any time they wanted to without a warrant?

That works for you?
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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This is a good article, and it clearly explains that it is the Federal Government that the Constitution limits. The Federal Government, according to the Constitution, has no authority over the States.

This is a must read.

Blog: Which Government Does the U.S. Bill of Rights Limit?
Nonsense.
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: North America
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From the library of Congress:

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents of American History (Virtual Programs & Services, Library of Congress)

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” which included former slaves recently freed. In addition, it forbids states from denying any person "life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” By directly mentioning the role of the states, the 14th Amendment greatly expanded the protection of civil rights to all Americans and is cited in more litigation than any other amendment.
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