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Old 04-03-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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It is about both.

My grandparents and great grandparents were married when their children were conceived and born. This is something which happens less than 50% of the time in the USA today. Why? Because the government will step in and pay for the support of the child and mother.

This did not happen in the time of my great grandparents, grandparents, or even my parents. It was not socially acceptable to be sexually permiscuous. Today junior-high and high schooler students seem to wear sexual promiscuity as a badge of honor and status, quite literally. Personally, I find that not only disgusting but a very bad reflection upon their parents and the cultural message this country has decided is "acceptable". The glorification of "teen moms" on the boob tube and in grocery store checkout line rags is a sign of just how far our society has fallen.

Everytime the government (using OPM) steps in used an picks up the tab for the choice and behaviors of individuals the costs necessarily skyrocket.

The destruction of the traditional family unit has its costs, both in the number of children raised in poverty and to our national economy. Children born into and raised in a single parent household are significantly more likely to spend a portion of their lives in poverty than those coming from a family with both a father and a mother present in the home to raise them.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe this is relevant to the fact that 40% of parents, because it's not just single women, require assistance to have a baby.

That tells me that the cost of having a baby has gotten so out of hand that it's out of reach of the average person.

I don't believe it has everything to do with poverty, as such. You don't have to be impoverished to be unable to afford the cost of a hospital birth.

I think we should stop treating childbirth like it's a life threatening illness (unless when it is, of course).
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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Nothing personal....trust me....but I must make sure I understand you correctly.

At least 10 people in your family were born using Medicaid?!?
My mother has seven siblings and my father has three. All of the aunts and uncles who had children had 2 kids with the exception of 1 aunt who had 4. I only have 1 brother, but lots of cousins because the previous generation was so big.

But yes, most of them were born under Medicaid. Of my 10 cousins on my moms side, 7 of them were born to teenage parents. Such a life is predisposed to poverty.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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I believe we have a moral/ethical/spiritual responsibility to bring children into this world only if we have the means to do so: emotional, physical, spiritual, and financial.

If people don't have the means, they should get fixed, use birth control, or abstain. The government could save a whole lot of money if free contraception were available.

If I have to pay for the birth of a child via my taxes, I don't understand why I can't pay for contraception via my taxes.

I'm not talking abortion, because that is a whole different topic.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe this is relevant to the fact that 40% of parents, because it's not just single women, require assistance to have a baby.

That tells me that the cost of having a baby has gotten so out of hand that it's out of reach of the average person.

I don't believe it has everything to do with poverty, as such. You don't have to be impoverished to be unable to afford the cost of a hospital birth.

I think we should stop treating childbirth like it's a life threatening illness (unless when it is, of course).
Have medical costs risen since the government got involved in setting fee schedules for Medicaid/Medicare? Absolutely.

Has the value of the US dollar been greatly devalued thus adding to the burden of "increased costs"? Absolutely.

Is the amount of malpractice insurance an OB-GYN has to carry raised the cost of pre & post-natal care in our nation and are the primary benefactors of these costs trial attorneys and insurance companies? A resounding YES!

No, you do not have to be impoverished to not be able to afford the cost of a child's birth. However, who is waiting to take that baby away if a parent doesn't keep an immunization schedule, if the child doesn't fit into the appropriate growth percentile fot his/her age, etc...? A government agency. Think it is expensive now? Just wait until it is "free".
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:14 PM
 
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If people don't have the means, they should get fixed, use birth control, or abstain. The government could save a whole lot of money if free contraception were available.
Not that I'm necessarily against anything you've suggested, but I see no reason to believe this assertion with any certainty given that history does not bear it out.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:17 PM
 
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Not that I'm necessarily against anything you've suggested, but I see no reason to believe this assertion with any certainty given that history does not bear it out.
Good point - but at least I would feel better about paying for births.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Ignorant premise. Try again.
Then surely, as a conservative you are very, very much against the government paying for birth control pills.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Exactly right. What you speak of is the Elephant In The Room. Democrats have zero desire to address this issue because they perceive illegal immigrants to be future votes. Does it get any more treasonous?
So where are the Republicans going to go to get their votes, other than from old white guys?
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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All the more reason to hand out birth control like it's candy.
But conservatives think that is a very wrong and immoral thing to do!
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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I guess I just don't get it. I made it to adulthood without giving birth to children I can't afford. Sometimes I abstained, the other times I used birth control.

I understand that accidents happen - but there is a big difference between an accident and having unprotected sex.

Pay for childbirth once, fine. Come back a second time and you should have your tubes tied for free.
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