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Old 04-03-2012, 06:23 PM
 
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Have medical costs risen since the government got involved in setting fee schedules for Medicaid/Medicare? Absolutely.

Has the value of the US dollar been greatly devalued thus adding to the burden of "increased costs"? Absolutely.

Is the amount of malpractice insurance an OB-GYN has to carry raised the cost of pre & post-natal care in our nation and are the primary benefactors of these costs trial attorneys and insurance companies? A resounding YES!

No, you do not have to be impoverished to not be able to afford the cost of a child's birth. However, who is waiting to take that baby away if a parent doesn't keep an immunization schedule, if the child doesn't fit into the appropriate growth percentile fot his/her age, etc...? A government agency. Think it is expensive now? Just wait until it is "free".
Please point out anywhere, anywhere at all, where I said it should be free.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:23 PM
 
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Not that I'm necessarily against anything you've suggested, but I see no reason to believe this assertion with any certainty given that history does not bear it out.
Exactly. Look how easily available "free" contraception is in the schools today, not to mention PP, compared to 40 yrs. ago and look at the out of wedlock birthrates, teen and otherwise.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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Oh look, this tired old argument. The chances are slim. We also have these things called condoms. Combine the two, and you're looking at 98-99% effectiveness easy.

If you are responsible, chances are you can avoid pregnancy. Anyone who's been around today's typical teen mom knows damn well that baby wasn't born because her birth control failed.
Actually BC fails all the time. Certainly, it is good practice. Then you have health risks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...ontrol_methods

Overview: Birth Control : American Pregnancy Association
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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Exactly. Look how easily available "free" contraception is in the schools today, not to mention PP, compared to 40 yrs. ago and look at the out of wedlock birthrates, teen and otherwise.
History shows the opposite in fact.

I've been waiting for another excuse to post one of my favorite articles on the subject.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Abstinence works 100% of the time!
But a lot of people can't resist indulging in sex 100% of the time.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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I haven't read the entire thread, but I do have a couple of observations:

1. Does anyone else think it's kind of strange to be drawing conclulsions about the nature of Medicaid based on data from 2000?

2. Would anyone be at all surprised to learn that the states with higher prevalence for Medicaid-funded delivery are those with more restrictive abortion, contraception, and sex education policies?

3. Aside from complaining about people whose choices you disapprove of, does anyone who has attacked the people bearing these children have a serious proposal to encourage people living in poverty to stay in school, obtain employment, and delay childbearing until they can support themselves?
1. Medicaid Cost-Savings Opportunities

2. Surprised? Yes, because at this juncture you haven't corroborated your assertion with data to back it up.

3. Yes. Don't have kids until you can afford them. Pretty simple concept.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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I believe we have a moral/ethical/spiritual responsibility to bring children into this world only if we have the means to do so: emotional, physical, spiritual, and financial.

If people don't have the means, they should get fixed, use birth control, or abstain. The government could save a whole lot of money if free contraception were available.

If I have to pay for the birth of a child via my taxes, I don't understand why I can't pay for contraception via my taxes.
Not a woman here but I suspect it is free if you go to Planned Parenthood and cannot afford it or through other programs

Availability and cost has not been an issue. The issue to many is paying for something they don't believe in. I can respect that.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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But a lot of people can't resist indulging in sex 100% of the time.
People will have sex, and they will get pregnant.

In fact, what I find most unacceptable is not the idea of paying for birth control or even abortions, but the barrage of naive excuses and whiny garbage spewed by some when this and similar issues arise.

See this thread for evidence.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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Please point out anywhere, anywhere at all, where I said it should be free.
I never suggested you did write that. Why did you assume I did? Why so defensive?

Is not Obamacare the first step to single-payer socialized health care? Aren't taxpayer funded health benefits, such as the HHS rule for contraception and birth control, exactly what some posters in this very thread have referred to when discussing "free birth control"? This was exactly why my reference to how expensive the costs of childbirth will become once it is "free".
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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Sure there is irresponsible cases of lust, but a couple truly in love comes before anything. They do what they want because love conquers all!
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