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Old 04-04-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Stop sending checks.

Problem solved.

If these recipient class people truly put their children first, they will not "starve in the streets".
Oh stop with the "recipient class" crap when it comes to this issue.

This thread is about medicaid for births, not about public assistance after birth.

Where are the numbers that support the notion that all 40% of the families that utilize medicaid to give birth in a hospital are also on public assistance otherwise?

People not being able to afford a mega hospital bill are not necessarily unable to feed, educate or otherwise raise their children in a responsible manner.

The fact that 40% of people need to be subsidized in order to have a hospital birth tells us more about the cost of medical care than it does about the people receiving it.

As for not having kids if you can't afford them, it's not looking after the kids that's the issue with a lot of working families, it's the having to pay God knows how much just to get them into the world that's the issue.

And BTW, kids are not goods. You "can't afford" a Lamborghini. Having a baby shouldn't be a luxury purchase that's out of reach of normal hard working people.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Stop sending checks.

Problem solved.

If these recipient class people truly put their children first, they will not "starve in the streets".
Really, punish the children...BRILLIANT!!!!!

That's called "no solution at all".

But thanks for playing.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Yay another AeroGuyDC thread about personal responsibility. It is your personal responsibility if poor to not fall in love, want to have kids, want to live in a house, or get sick. It is your responsibility not get laid off or have an serious family illness after you've already had kids. It is your responsiblity to use fantasy-land birth control that is 100% effective, but you have to pay for that yourself and you can't abort the baby if it fails.

Ultimately, arguing with you is useless. Central to your conservative worldview is a refusal to recognize that things are ever actually so bad that people don't have a choice. You don't oppose welfare because you hate poor people, you oppose welfare because you think that hardly anyone really needs welfare to survive, and anyone who can't pay their bills without assistance is either wasting money with poor spending decisions or too lazy/stupid to make enough money (because conservatives also think that income is linked to personal merit).

Entitled as you are, you basically can't really understand someone literally having no other choice but to receive welfare or turn to less-legal ways of earning money. You simply just do not realize that things are actually that bad in your beloved US of A, and you'd refuse to believe it if we told you because your worldview basically depends on the belief that things aren't absolutely horrible.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: North America
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Yay another AeroGuyDC thread about personal responsibility. It is your personal responsibility if poor to not fall in love, want to have kids, want to live in a house, or get sick. It is your responsibility not get laid off or have an serious family illness after you've already had kids. It is your responsiblity to use fantasy-land birth control that is 100% effective, but you have to pay for that yourself and you can't abort the baby if it fails.

Ultimately, arguing with you is useless. Central to your conservative worldview is a refusal to recognize that things are ever actually so bad that people don't have a choice. You don't oppose welfare because you hate poor people, you oppose welfare because you think that hardly anyone really needs welfare to survive, and anyone who can't pay their bills without assistance is either wasting money with poor spending decisions or too lazy/stupid to make enough money (because conservatives also think that income is linked to personal merit).

Entitled as you are, you basically can't really understand someone literally having no other choice but to receive welfare or turn to less-legal ways of earning money. You simply just do not realize that things are actually that bad in your beloved US of A, and you'd refuse to believe it if we told you because your worldview basically depends on the belief that things aren't absolutely horrible.



Too bad I can't rep you more than once.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You are implying that a woman cannot refuse entry. I believe you should tell us why you think that.
I'm sure women do. Speaking from personal experiences?
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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Yay another AeroGuyDC thread about personal responsibility. It is your personal responsibility if poor to not fall in love, want to have kids, want to live in a house, or get sick. It is your responsibility not get laid off or have an serious family illness after you've already had kids. It is your responsiblity to use fantasy-land birth control that is 100% effective, but you have to pay for that yourself and you can't abort the baby if it fails.

Ultimately, arguing with you is useless. Central to your conservative worldview is a refusal to recognize that things are ever actually so bad that people don't have a choice. You don't oppose welfare because you hate poor people, you oppose welfare because you think that hardly anyone really needs welfare to survive, and anyone who can't pay their bills without assistance is either wasting money with poor spending decisions or too lazy/stupid to make enough money (because conservatives also think that income is linked to personal merit).

Entitled as you are, you basically can't really understand someone literally having no other choice but to receive welfare or turn to less-legal ways of earning money. You simply just do not realize that things are actually that bad in your beloved US of A, and you'd refuse to believe it if we told you because your worldview basically depends on the belief that things aren't absolutely horrible.
Good, now that I've got your attention, why don't you share with us how many time's you've tapped the social entitlement system to prop up your lifestyle? It's no secret that those who defend the system are generally the very same people who rely on it.

Can we expect you to come clean? Your rote response is very tell-tale. This is your chance to clear the air.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:57 AM
 
Location: North America
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Good, now that I've got your attention, why don't you share with us how many time's you've tapped the social entitlement system to prop up your lifestyle? It's no secret that those who defend the system are generally the very same people who rely on it.

Can we expect you to come clean? Your rote response is very tell-tale. This is your chance to clear the air.

You're falling back on that?

Sounds like your arguments are pretty much over.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Status: "On Break" (set 14 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Class warfare is the fuel that keeps Marxism alive.

The Dem. party would never get enough votes to fill an office if they didn't thrive on it.

Too funny to see anyone throw this one at GOPers.
Back atcha! The RW constantly accuses Obama of class warfare, yet when they yap on about "recipient class" and "donor class" it's something else?

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This is not about "personal responsibility", it's about how the cost of even the most basic things in life, such as giving birth to a baby, has gotten so ridiculously over inflated that to actually pay for it is out of the realm of possibility for your average wage earning family.

Couple that with the fact that midwives' duties have been heavily regulated and are even illegal in some places, and there's not much alternative but to go into an expensive L&D ward to do what mothers have been doing naturally and for no cost for all human history.

If our great/grandparents had had to put forth the level of "personal responsibility" (ie money) required now to give birth to us back in their day, most of us wouldn't be here.
Exactly!

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You can provide others with all the free contraception control you choose. Just purchase it with your own money and distribute it on your own time/dime. No one is stopping you.

If you are making reference to the HHS rule then it has everything to do with the government violating the 1st Amendment as it applies to religious freedom.

Probably would not have happened had the bio-father/husband also chosen to be surgically sterilized or had used a condom. It takes two to tango and both to use contraception control. That is what is meant by personal responsibility. One participant in the sexual act cannot assume the personal responsibility of the other's contraception control, even with matters of vasectomies and tubal ligations. Thankfully your sister-in-law was responsible enough to raise her child rather than abort your nephew for convenience sake.
You are twisting this issue around to suit your agenda. The purpose of a tubal ligation is to not have to use any other BC. TL is way over 99% effective. However, there are failures.

Effectiveness of Permanent Birth Control Methods - Learn about the Effectiveness of Permanent Birth Control Methods

Tubal Ligation/Implants/Tubes Tied: Effects, Chances of Pregnancy After

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Exactly. Look how easily available "free" contraception is in the schools today, not to mention PP, compared to 40 yrs. ago and look at the out of wedlock birthrates, teen and otherwise.
What the heck are you talking about?

What "free" contraception, or any contraception, in the schools? Do you have kids? Do they attend school? My kids' schools never gave out any free contraceptives, and it hasn't been that long since either of them graduated from HS. Now I once worked at a health dept. that was next door to a high school. We had bowls of free condoms at the front desk; you didn't even need to ask for them. One Friday before the Homecoming dance, we were swamped with kids from the HS next door coming for condoms!

Planned Parenthood does not give out BC for free. They use a sliding fee scale. The BCPs must be purchased at a pharmacy.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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You're falling back on that?

Sounds like your arguments are pretty much over.
Since he/she believes he has me all figured out, it's time for the poster to come forth and share his details for proper vetting.

My theme is very transparent. It's time for this poster to come out of the dark and shed a little sunlight on his/her disposition. The mentality he/she espouses has to come from somewhere.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Or just get a abortion. That will cure that problem right up. After all it is not your life or your problem.
But you want us to pay for that, too.
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