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Old 04-06-2012, 06:11 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Inalienable rights are granted by our creator and not by government. Our rights and liberties must be constantly fought for in order to maintain them, they are not free.

The primary function of government is to secure/defend individual liberty as defined through our US Constitution.
That part I always found much more baffling than the UHC debate It has funny implications in terms of logic
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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There's also a reason that Europe is headed off a cliff.
EUROPE is headed for a cliff not because of health care.....But because of experimentation on society....feminization of males.....overly passive population that has been trained to accept the dominance of Germany...Who started the whole mess over 65 years ago....with National Socialism...Hitlers belated dream come true...and now like communism...it has failed...Health care is fine...brain washing a whole nation to embrace some sort of secularist doctrine..as gospel is not.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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I would like to see where you got the 40 million # at?

Also, it will NOT bring healthcare to everyone, just like now, some people do not want HC: 1) The are rich and do not need it or 2) some people just don't want it, because they are healthy.

Why is that so hard to believe?

BTW, your 40 million number, does that include illegals....please provide some stats to back up your claim...
Number of people without health insurance in U.S. climbs - Sep. 13, 2011

50 million Americans do not have health insurance. Subtract 10 million for your illegal immigrants and you have 40 million Americans without some form of health insurance.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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Neither of those assertions is true.
They are, actually.

The World's Highest Quality Of Life Is Still In Europe - Business Insider

LiveLeak.com - US Education worse than Europe and Asia - OECD Education Study
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Most Americans do understand the Commerce Clause. I don't believe that Obamacare violates it at all. I wouldn't care if it did violate the clause, as it would bring health insurance to nearly 40 million Americans that unjustly don't have it. Any clause can be overlooked if the benefit of the people was in question.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! We also need Universal Country Club Memberships (UCCM). Free for all Americans! And an unlimited supply of PROv1 golf balls!

That way we can leapfrog the Europeans on their road to total government control and the supreme nanny state.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Of course it violates the commerce clause, it is clear you, and your fellow travelers do not care about the Constitution. And of course the Constitution cannot be overlooked on your whim. The Supreme Court gave the loony left a roadmap to live in everlasting bliss. They indicated single payer would be constitutional. Go out and convince the American people, that the same folks who bring them the DMV are the perfect folks to provide them healthcare!
I certainly care about the constitution. I also recognize that any written document can undergo changes or be reinterpreted in different ways as society changes.

And what exactly is the problem with the DMV? I have never had a bad experience at the DMV. You go there, wait in line, and then take care of whatever business needs to be done. Heck, every ticket I have received I can pay online. The DMV here in Hillsborough county I find to be very well run.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Number of people without health insurance in U.S. climbs - Sep. 13, 2011

50 million Americans do not have health insurance. Subtract 10 million for your illegal immigrants and you have 40 million Americans without some form of health insurance.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, you are not being honest. Now go back and let us know haw many folks intentionally do not have insurance because they do not wish to purchase it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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EUROPE is headed for a cliff not because of health care.....But because of experimentation on society....feminization of males.....overly passive population that has been trained to accept the dominance of Germany...Who started the whole mess over 65 years ago....with National Socialism...Hitlers belated dream come true...and now like communism...it has failed...Health care is fine...brain washing a whole nation to embrace some sort of secularist doctrine..as gospel is not.
I gave you a rep on one of your earlier posts in this thread, but you lost me on this one...
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:20 AM
 
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!! We also need Universal Country Club Memberships (UCCM). Free for all Americans! And an unlimited supply of PROv1 golf balls!

That way we can leapfrog the Europeans on their road to total government control and the supreme nanny state.
Oh my God. I sometimes can't understand you people and the metaphors you use. How in the hell can you compare a country club membership to access to healthcare?

I swear, I wonder what isolated boxes you people must live in sometimes.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I certainly care about the constitution. I also recognize that any written document can undergo changes or be reinterpreted in different ways as society changes.

And what exactly is the problem with the DMV? I have never had a bad experience at the DMV. You go there, wait in line, and then take care of whatever business needs to be done. Heck, every ticket I have received I can pay online. The DMV here in Hillsborough county I find to be very well run.
Lol, the constitution says what it says. We also have the Federalist papers to help understand intent. It isn't some obscure parable laden track. You want the interpretation to be something other than what it says.

If you think the DMV is a swell organization, then make your case to the American people. The reality is, the left is trying to accomplish something,through the courts, that they could never accomplish via the electorate. A single payer system.
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