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Old 04-08-2012, 09:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by adiosToreador View Post
Right because YOU would know that right? You make me sick with your anti-American, pro-Terrorism banter.

You've never served so don't you dare make any attempts at labeling the life style of the military. You have no idea what those men and women go through on a daily basis so you can sit here and be an armchair general without having to fight the good fight yourself. Take advantage of your freedoms paid by their blood.
Again you accuse without knowledge.

Anti-American?

Pro-Terrorism?

Repetition doesn't make what you judge correct. I forgive you for your ignorance.

 
Old 04-08-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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And hailed as a hero - which, IMO, would be a slap in the face of those who have actually put their lives on the line.
Would that be like the liberals who burned flag in the 60's then went to canada to avoid the draft. It reallt is you know as both where orders to appear by proesident for service and refused. They both could appeal as conscience objectors or stand their ground and be for the offense.We allow that to citizens.
 
Old 04-08-2012, 10:09 PM
 
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We will make his reinstatement, will full back pay and benefits, a top priority in 2013 when the new admin (the grownups) takes over from the Obama "administration" (term used very loosely).
Don't know much about the military, do you?
He committed an infraction of the UCMJ.

Obama was elected by the majority of voters.
Why do you seem to have a problem with that?
 
Old 04-08-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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cackling
Yup, fascinating to watch you in your descent.
 
Old 04-08-2012, 10:59 PM
 
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It's clear this administration is the problem. There is no need to elborate further on the issue. I've never seen any such administration so hated. It's best to keep it to yourself. No one would believe you anyway. "Link please!?" "Link please!?"
You made a comment and were asked for support of that comment.
You know, link or lie.

There's a scary black man in the oval office and a bunch of hateful talking heads that speak to these idiots.
Did you miss all of this over the past 3.5 years?
Boehner saying that he'd do anything he had to in order for Obama to be a one term president; are you missing the partisan anti-US congress and house?
 
Old 04-09-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Well i have walked a mile in those shoes, in fact a lot of miles. He assumes that if you aren't in the Navy, that you haven't served like him. Calling my service UnAmerican is where the Naivety comes about.
Navy boot camp is not the highest form of service, nor is it terribly difficult.

One's service in the modern American military hasn't preserved my Freedoms, it has eroded them.

Every immoral war we are thrust into, seems to take away my Freedom.

It's an old WWI / WWII argument, that military protects my Freedom's.

Before Iraq/Afghan... There was no UN Patriot Act, NO NDA Act, and the War power's Act was not under the control of Homeland Security Fascist's.

Did you do your job well protecting my Freedom's, no... they have been slowly , systematically absorbed into a warmongering nation of brainwashed Oo- rah.

All devised by the globalist, enforced and carried out by the CIA.

Are you awake?


So why are you bitter towards the very same people that are "victimized" by the corrupt politicians and corporations? You are looking at it in an bigger picture but you still don't have it all.

Your views are no different that the vietnam vets had once they got out and actually thought about why they were fighting and were called "traitors". The truth of the matter is that corporations in line with certain politicians control the economy and you proably noticed that when the unemployment rate is high people tend to go into the military.....mind you not to fight but to survive and be able to provide a better quality of life for their families. you cannot get upset with anyone trying to better themselves and their family working with a corrupt system. If you noticed that during the war that the politicians started there wered only a few that actually had children or actually served in it. This is the real reason that the draft will never be re-stated.
 
Old 04-09-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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You do realize the UCMJ requires service members to disobey all illegal orders, right?
But what were the "illegal orders" in question?
 
Old 04-09-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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So why are you bitter towards the very same people that are "victimized" by the corrupt politicians and corporations? You are looking at it in an bigger picture but you still don't have it all.
Not bitter. Determined.
 
Old 04-09-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: West Egg
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Some useful Constitutional history, for those who think that criticizing ones chain of command is a free speech issue:

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When the subject of this article came up during a conversation with a friend and military veteran, he laughed and said he could write the article himself. He said he would simply write “The First Amendment and the Military … it doesn’t apply.”

Certainly this belief is widespread, and actually, it’s not far from the truth. In 1974 the U.S. Supreme Court wrote, “While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it” Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 758 (1974). This quote from the Court sums up what is known as the Doctrine of Military Necessity or the military-deference doctrine.

Though it did not become entrenched in modern legal thought until the Levy case in 1974, the view of the military as a separate community, where constitutional freedoms can be applied differently, was first recognized by the Supreme Court in 1953. Ruling in Orloff v. Willoughby, 345 U.S. 83 (1953), the Court said: “The military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian. Orderly government requires that the judiciary be as scrupulous not to interfere with legitimate Army matters as the Army must be scrupulous not to intervene in judicial matters.”
[more at the link below]

Military speech | First Amendment Center
 
Old 04-09-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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