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Old 04-07-2012, 04:46 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Gallup: Job Creation best in Red State Cities

"These results would seem to support the GOP's contention that lower taxes encourage job creation and economic growth."
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Old 04-07-2012, 05:18 AM
 
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Job creation and economic growth are good if you like big government, not so good if you're an unskilled worker.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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Gallup: Job Creation best in Red State Cities

"These results would seem to support the GOP's contention that lower taxes encourage job creation and economic growth."
Read more: Blog: Gallup: Job creation best in red state cities
Slow growth is partly the result of blue state bureaucracies.

Case in point Toledo, Ohio.

I had a customer whose business was located in Toledo, Ohio since the 1920's. A machine company their major customer was the automotive industry that employed 400 union machinists and in the late 1990's the lowest paid worker on the floor was over $20/hr plus full union benefits like health care and retirement among others. Average pay was $26/hr.

Average weekly payroll for everyone was $500k/week on which the city of Toledo collected 2.25% in city income tax (http://www.ci.toledo.oh.us/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=1wlpkmHj56M%3D&tabid=214 &mid=994 - broken link) alone which brought in $11,250 weekly to the city treasury. That's $585,000 a year year after year after year. But that is just income tax, add to this the city sales tax (1%) everyone paid, the property taxes people who worked there paid in plus the economic boost it gave the entire town.

In 1998 the owner was looking to expand, the expansion would have created an additional 200 highly paid jobs but what he needed was to purchase the adjacent land and have the city extend water and sewer services down the street.

But the city had a building permit department, should have been more aptly called the "Bureau of Anti-Business and Anti-Job Creation" that started to put the man through hell. It got crazy, he asked city council to extend the line whose reply was "no way unless you pay the city $50,000 for the service because why should the Peoples Republic of Toledo pay for your expansion?"

Never mind with the expansion payments of city income tax would have gone up 50%, with the expansion the city would have received more than $16,000 weekly, this was business avoidance the city was thinking of.

But the water line was was just the beginning of his problems with the community organizer types who dominated city council during this time.

Mayor Marty Finkbeiner was a real piece of fecal matter. The Peoples Republic had hired on a real ass clown to be mayor and he did his job well. Often the entertainment value was worth the price of admission but then people often get what they deserve.

They had to have eco-studies, impact studies etc etc. Before he started building the company would have to pay out over $1 million in studies and this was an expansion inside an already existing industrial park. Kind of like you want businesses to expand in an industrial park, right? No so in bureacratic northern states, their job is to strangle business, to keep expansion to a minimum and interrupt any business grown that might prove a threat.

Owner went 800 miles south to visit his daughter and grand kids on a week long vacation. While there he noticed signs touting a new industrial park so he visited the Chamber of Commerce where he got the grand tour. The city offered him 5 acres for $1, tax abatement for 5 years and penciling in, on a yellow legal pad in pencil, what he wanted for a building the plan examiner stamped "Approved" on his yellow legal pad. No building permit fees. Permit fees in the northern rust belt would have been mind boggling.

He tried not to move but the city fixed any objection he could come up with. He calculated by moving he would save over $1 million a year.

He moved. This appeared to upset the people in Toledo when he told them his plans but secretly I believe city council was overjoyed because they got what they were obviously shooting for.

Today the city has a empty, rusting factory and empty lot they can be proud of.

So he moved south and I got the job of doing some of the new construction. I won too.

Why are blue states so anti-business?
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Warren County and loving it!
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I think people feel that pro business = pro wealthy.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:23 AM
 
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Quite a story...

I'm not so sure it's that blue states are anti-business....I think it's more about the people elected to positions of power. Being blue states, they are democrat run....so the elected officials believe in BIG GOVERNMENT right off the bat. They believe that government needs to control EVERYTHING. And they also believe that businesses need to PAY....lots of $$.

Unless people start realizing that regardless of profit margin, we need to WELCOME and ENCOURAGE the growth of business. Take your example in this story...$26 / hour is a damn good wage...especially for a manufacturing shop....and that business owner found a way to still turn a profit AND he wanted to expand to hire 200 MORE workers at $20 + an hour!! That would be a WIN/WIN for everyone....but the damned bureaucrats ruined it. Lesson learned?? Nah...definitely not.

I hope the people of Toledo realize what happened....but they probably don't. Most of the time I find that people vote mostly along party lines, and the ones who voted for that idiot mayor probably did so again simply because he is a democrat and they have always voted democrat. Sadly...most Americans are simply stupid when it comes to politics.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Job creation and economic growth are good if you like big government, not so good if you're an unskilled worker.
But good if you are an illegal unskilled worker.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Not buying it yet. The current recession, fueled by a housing bust, hit the blue states much harder than the red states. I don't really know why the housing situation in the blue state got so out of control, but that is another topic. It stands to reason that those economies are deepest in the hole right now, so claiming the Governors are creating this is just silly, IMO.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:02 AM
 
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The link is to a radical right wing site, so of course it's not factual. The real facts come in the hard numbers, and it's fairly evenly split. The top 5 state in job created are
California (193,800), Texas (158,300), Florida (120,200), New York (101,000), New Jersey (52,100),

But the 5 worst states for job creation, not surprisingly are almost all red

Wisconsin -12,500
  • Missouri -4,100
  • Mississippi -2,900
  • Alabama -1,900
  • Rhode Island -1,300
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:06 AM
 
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Recession hit blue states harder? Why? Cause they spend to much money they don't have? So don't blame them? The housing bust hit blue states harder too? Why? Cause the people their felt entitled to buy more than they can afford? That's not their fault? Or were they the same idiots that said they didn't understand what they were signing? And then the blue states said they needed to raise income tax levels... If you didn't know, those are liberal policies... fail...
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Seeing as red states use more federal government assistance.........
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