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Old 04-19-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I hate when members of the current generation of an ethnic or minority group tries to "take credit" for suffering the oppression and violence against that group during PAST generations.

Of course, there is only one group of people who tend to do this.

These African immigrants (REAL "African-Americans") NEVER complain about the Dutch, English or French white men that oppressed their ancestors.

I suppose they are too busy doing homework or putting in extra hours at their jobs.

If your gonna bake a "White Guilt Cake" then pretending that you went through slavery and Jim Crow is the flour and eggs...
Oh and white people don't take credit for accomplishments of there ancestors? You are just mad that we remember what happened. And for your info I grew up in the seventies and believe meallott of folk were still around that had 1950s beliefs.

 
Old 04-19-2012, 11:22 AM
 
Location: North America
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Oh and white people don't take credit for accomplishments of there ancestors? You are just mad that we remember what happened. And for your info I grew up in the seventies and believe meallott of folk were still around that had 1950s beliefs.
Who said anything about "accomplishments"?

You don't remember anything because you weren't around during slavery OR Jim Crow so stop pretending that you suffered along with your parents and grandparents and great-grandparents. Your "activate white guilt" [ON] button doesn't work on me.

I have no problem with you proudly acknowledging the achievements of your people. Just don't try to show me some phantom "whipping scars" that don't exist on your back...
 
Old 04-19-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Who said anything about "accomplishments"?

You don't remember anything because you weren't around during slavery OR Jim Crow so stop pretending that you suffered along with your parents and grandparents and great-grandparents. Your "activate white guilt" [ON] button doesn't work on me.

I have no problem with you proudly acknowledging the achievements of your people. Just don't try to show me some phantom "whipping scars" that don't exist on your back...
Are you really saying that my generation was not affected by jim crow? You think we didn't suffer financial loss due to unfair treatment of our fore parents? Thats just crazy to think These Africans you are so fond of didn't do crap to earn the benefits they get thanks to us. The least they could do is be grateful instead of trying to Join with the ones that still believe in jim crow
 
Old 04-19-2012, 12:04 PM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 18 days ago)
 
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Wanted to note that the majority of black people agreed with Bill Cosby and he is beloved to most black people and is still featured regularly on black media channels, especially radio. I love him as well.

And for those who said I accepted violence as a part of "black culture" I would like to laugh in your face in person.

The only thing I mentioned in my posts was that someone used two examples from Atlanta to prove that "flash mob" violence, meaning mob violence against white people perpetuated by blacks, has happened here. It has not. The articles cited from the AJC were about smash and grab robberies, which is when 3 or 4 gang members (it is a specific gang here in Atlanta and most of them have been apprehended and jailed for these specific types of crimes) use a vehicle and smash into a store and steal merchandise or money. No white people are attacked. These sorts of robberies were very common in Atlanta for a long time, at least since the 90s when I moved here. They mostly stole designer clothes and no one was ever injured.

Also the OP states that this was a vicious attack in regards to the OP article, when the article itself states that no one was seriously injured, which negates the assumption that the referenced article in the OP details some horrendous, violent crime perpetuated by black youths against whites. The article does not even speak as to the ethnicity of the perpetuators or the victims and the police officer did not describe it as vicious attack and even stated that it was just some kids who got out of control.

Just wanted to inject some sanity into the thread, actually came in to get a laugh for the day and it did come to fruition with the reference to the gun show LOL. It is amazing to me that you all think that black youths go around beating up whites and you want to kill them for it, yet you never have this happen to you or people you know and (unfortunately for you I guess) you have never had the opportunity to pop a few caps in the some kids.

I detest violence on all levels and I know that our American culture is one of violence, this is not specific to black people at all, as this country was founded on violence. Fortunately we are all moving beyond this and I hope we continue to do so and even though I have a gun I'm not itching to kill anybody and I hope to never have to use it.
I never said there weren't Blacks that agreed with Bill Cosby. I know there are alot of Blacks that agreed with his comments and support him. The main point I was driving home was the "airing out dirty laundry". I agree with Bill Cosby. It wasn't his words that scare me. It was the fact that normally private conversation went public. I can understand why some people might not want to talk about subjects like that publicly. No one wants to confirm stereotypes. No one wants to talk about it. It is often considered "dirty laundry".
 
Old 04-19-2012, 12:09 PM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 18 days ago)
 
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Gangsta rap did not produce crime.

Real life crack selling and gang turf wars produced gangsta rap.

Mainstream rap used to be about (in no particular order):

1. Havin' a party

2. Gettin' the girl

3. I can rap better than you

4. My clothes and cars are sharper than your clothes and cars

5. My community is poorly managed and impoverished and here are some stories for you to ponder about our social situation.
What many people don't realize is that rap/hip hop didn't start out bad. It was at first music that developed out of social consciousness. It was music that talked about what was going on in your community, the injustices, the discrimination, other stuff that was happening.

When the love of money took over(notice I say the LOVE of money), things went crazy. When people found you could make more money rapping about killing people, being a pimp, or glorifying being a drug dealer, people started selling out.

It is indeed true that the crap epidemic set off even more violence than existed before.
 
Old 04-19-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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What's wrong with an increasingly larger segment of black kids these days? Seriously. This is beyond a few bad apples.....this is about an epidemic that's taking over young black minds. What could possibly be so bad about life that crimes of these nature are so prevalent and so attractive? Turn on the TV and who do you see? A young black male (and these days black females) going to jail for horrendous crimes. It's simply mind-boggling.
Rap music has glamourized going to jail, so young blacks who idolize some of the violent thug rappers do not view getting arrested and imprisoned as a negative, but rather part of life. Sad fact is, for some of the kids living in the worst ghettos of America, their odds of survival in prison is higher than it is living on their neighborhood streets.
 
Old 04-19-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: North America
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Are you really saying that my generation was not affected by jim crow? You think we didn't suffer financial loss due to unfair treatment of our fore parents? Thats just crazy to think These Africans you are so fond of didn't do crap to earn the benefits they get thanks to us. The least they could do is be grateful instead of trying to Join with the ones that still believe in jim crow
I'm saying that whatever you may have "suffered" it doesn't even come close to what your ancestors suffered.

To say that you and your grandfather went through the very same $h*t is moronic and insulting.
 
Old 04-19-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: North America
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What many people don't realize is that rap/hip hop didn't start out bad. It was at first music that developed out of social consciousness. It was music that talked about what was going on in your community, the injustices, the discrimination, other stuff that was happening.

When the love of money took over(notice I say the LOVE of money), things went crazy. When people found you could make more money rapping about killing people, being a pimp, or glorifying being a drug dealer, people started selling out.

It is indeed true that the crap epidemic set off even more violence than existed before.
White record executives got a lot of pressure from their corporate bosses to promote the fratricidal version of rap music over the Afro-centric version that was becoming more and more popular.

Murder rap, they said, had "wider appeal" than "conscious rap".

This would have been around 1990.
 
Old 04-19-2012, 04:30 PM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 18 days ago)
 
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White record executives got a lot of pressure from their corporate bosses to promote the fratricidal version of rap music over the Afro-centric version that was becoming more and more popular.

Murder rap, they said, had "wider appeal" than "conscious rap".

This would have been around 1990.
If you look further back in this forum, I posted a video of Jonathan Butler. It was a song from 1986. I did so because I looked at the video, and wondered "what happened between 1986 and now"? I was speaking in regards to Jonathan Butler being softer, more clean, no misogyny, just singing about love. He was dressed nice and looked presentable and civilized. And then I think of the rap videos that have been around since the 90's and 2000s. Alot of it isn't what I would aspire to. I wonder "What happened"? I saw the change as more an allegory for alot of other problems. It made me wonder.
 
Old 04-21-2012, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Amarillo
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Violence/rioting is always a setback to any form of social cause. Anyway, it was news to me that flash mobs were becoming violent. I thought they were just a bunch of kids deciding to meet up at a certain public place and break into song and dance for fun?
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