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Old 04-08-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Neither side is for freedoms. They just have different views on what to control.
If candidates running for office care about restoring freedom, then they would pledge to abolish two laws before making a new law.
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Old 04-08-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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Currently America has the highest prison population in the world, we account for nearly a quarter of the worlds prison population.

Our drug laws alone make about 1 out of 10 people a criminals in their own country.

This group of criminals comprises a minority sized population. How can you really call it a free country when you have a criminal minority?

But How can conservatives claim to be defenders of freedom? It's the conservative demi-gods like Limbaugh and Hannity that are literally saying that drug users need to be rounded up and removed from society.

I'm not saying that the left isn't responsible for their share of idiotic, ridiculous laws, they are. But the lefties tend to not be as much of a fan of the prison system as the righties.
Your whole premise is so far off the mark it is laughable.

People have a "free" will. If THEY choose to break a law they do it voluntarily. THEY know the consequences. if you break the law and get caught, YOU pay the penalty.

I know that is a simple concept apparently YOU can't grasp.

To many on the left don't believe in believe in punishing the lawbreakers. They blame "society" and all sorts of other alibis.

Our criminal justice system is joke. Too much plea bargaining etc.

There is not enough deterrent.

Today if you get 10 years, you get 1 day off for each day of good behavior. Ridiculous.

Jails have too much "comfy" things, like cable TV, weight rooms. Some jails law library's are better equipped then some law firms.

our "penal" system no longer penalizes enough.

If jail was a stronger deterrent maybe people would be less likely to try to avoid going there.

How many criminals get the death penalty? how long are they there before they actually get executed?

If we carried out the dealth penalty more it COULD become the deterent it is supposed to be.
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Old 04-08-2012, 09:12 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Feel free to think the way I think you should
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Old 04-08-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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For conservatives freedom is capitalism without restraints and owning guns, that's aboutit.
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Old 04-08-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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Neither party is for freedom, just power. .....................
Our political system is great, it's the politicians who suck.
Well no, our Constitution is great but our political system and 99.7% of the politicians refuse to uphold it;thus the political system sucks.

Our politicians constantly have their hands out looking for $$. Clue: the upper hand is the one giving them the $$. The upper hand expects that $$ to be paid back and our politicians do this by passing legislative laws which tax & regulate (via federal bureaucracies) in order to put the $$ back into the upper hand.

You see our political system is rigged so that in order to uphold the Constitution politicians must bite the hand which feeds them instead of being public servants as originally designed. The consequences of biting the hand that feeds them (a.k.a upper hand) is loss of power/loss of office. Even then the loss of office can mean more power if one becomes a successful lobbiest. Example: 50% of those elected officials (federal office) fired in the November 2010 election have become lobbiests weilding more influence (money) and power than they had when they were elected.

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For conservatives freedom is capitalism without restraints and owning guns, that's aboutit.
For Progressives in the Obama administration it is the illegal international traffiking of firearms/explosives (see Obama/AG-Holder's DOJ & BATFE) and drugs across our southern border and the laundering of drug money (DEA). Obviously, the crooks in the federal government hate the competition and thus imprison the little guy while holding themselves unaccountable for doing same on a significantly larger scale.

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Old 04-08-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This all sounds pretty solid, I can easily believe that the left is very responsible as well. But they don't seem to be as vocal about being patriots and defenders of freedom and all that apple pie stuff. I guess what I'm getting to is why put on the big act, why put up the huge red white and blue front about freedom? Is it just the right's advertising gimmick?
The design of our political system is supposed to counter balance ideologies. The majority of conservatives are defenders of freedom and the constitution, which if you haven't noticed, has been on the democrats hit list for the last few years. Both parties have been betrayed by their core managers, becoming something to generate a false sense that their original intentions still exist... they do not.

Obama isn't the guy the left was hoping for, though they all put on their stage makeup and act like he is. Bush wasn't the conservative guy we thought he'd be. You could make a strong case that there's really just a single party that acts like it is two. The only way to make this scam work is to keep the country divided and at odds with each other. The end game for both parties seems to be on the same course, and that's suppression and loss of individual freedom.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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One thing for sure is that conservatives are certainly bitterly opposed to legalizing marijuana. About as many of them think it would be absolutely outrageous just to legalize medical marijuana. The sad problem is that conservatives are severely addicted to Reefer Madness. They should enlighten themselves to the truth.
Many of them still cling to the idea that marijuana might be a gateway drug and lead people to cocaine, heroine, homosexuality, and atheism.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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The GOP is based on hypocrisy. They pretend they are for "less government! pro-constitution!" but in reality, they are the party of huge government and anti-constitution.
Big Government is just two words used to try to convince Americans that whatever party gets in they will do something to help Americans...........
Never been sure why getting rid of much of a democratically voted in Govt makes sense as it only cuts down the Govt's ability to be effectie but as Americans have now been convinced that "Govt. is BAD and Corporation are GOOD" it is easy to convince them that by cutting Govt. to the bone will help them............ absolute nonsense but works it here...............
NO Govt. here has or will in the future "Cut Govt." ...... Hasn't happened and won't happen but it is a great slogan to get votes...........
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If candidates running for office care about restoring freedom, then they would pledge to abolish two laws before making a new law.
The current leadership calls spending less than they intended to, spending cuts. If they can't label spending increases for what they are, how could they possibly cut down on the laws they need to perpetuate their ruse?
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Many of them still cling to the idea that marijuana might be a gateway drug and lead people to cocaine, heroine, homosexuality, and atheism.
Liberals had full control of the white house, US House, and US Senate from 2008 to 2010. Why didn't they even try to legalize pot then? Instead, Obama installed a stalwart opponent of legalization, Gil Kerlikowske, as Drug Czar. Could it be that most Democrats also cling to some of these ideas?
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