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Old 04-08-2012, 10:44 PM
Status: "I CRAVE Canine-stew" (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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Obvious troll is obvious.
Really......huh, you must not know what a troll is??? Someone who submits inflammatory posts with the primary intent of eliciting and emotional response......that is a Troll.

That is NOT what I do. My posts are a way for me to express what I truly feel........I really do not care how others react or feel about what I say. I go against the grain a lot of the times........not to be hip or inflammatory....but because what I write is what I truly believe.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Now granted I don't know the detail of American politics but in reading some of your posts on other threads, they seem to reek hatred! You seem to hate , almost personally, who ever the 'other side' is. When we have an election I vote for one side or the other. I listen to their points of view and try to be reasonably thoughtful in who I vote for. I think most of the 85% who turn out to vote would do the same and there would be a small percentage who vote 'because their dad voted this way' . Even if the party I vote for doesn't win, and I may not like the way they want to go, I always assume it's a difference of opinion and it's their honest attempt to do the right thing not an attempt to 'screw' the population .
US elections seem money centred and very vitriolic. Am I right?
With respect to this forum, you are generally accurate. But keep in mind that this forum is not necessarily a good representation of America; it's skewed quite a bit towards extremists, especially right-wing conservatives. There is of course a variety around here, but the extremists tend to be the most vocal with their partisan shtick and various forms of conspiracy theories and general paranoia. Meanwhile, the large percentage of normal people of this country who are more moderate in their opinions and discerning of intellectual complexity are busy with work, lives, etc., and don't spend as much time posting on internet forums.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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I think there is a very strong chance for a Mad Max scenario to play out in this country within the next 10 years.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Hawkes Bay NZ
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Thanks for your responses and I understand that forums can illicit responses which would not be acceptable face to face and as a result can be a bit 'over the top'. I think too, that there might be a different interpretation of 'socialism', as there is on a delightful American forum that I have inhabited for quite a few years, which is full of great people despite their divergent political views. Socialism to me, means that no one is denied health care, education and if times are tough financial support. I'm sure it's a misconception but the impression of the US, from abroad is that you can succeed and if that involves treading on the necks of those less fortunate , so be it. As regards Obama I think it would be a tough ask to take over the presidency at the time of major financial meltdown, no matter who was the incumbent.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:19 PM
 
Location: FL
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Yes, and this division and hatred is sustained by conservative talk radio and conservative internet sites and television like FOX News, whose goal is to keep the majority of America, the 99% of us who are not ultra wealthy, fighting each other. It is a wonderful distraction to keep us fighting amongst ourselves while the other 1% and their cronies in Congress steal us all blind.
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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People are addicted to their televisions.
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Old 04-09-2012, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Thanks for your responses and I understand that forums can illicit responses which would not be acceptable face to face and as a result can be a bit 'over the top'. I think too, that there might be a different interpretation of 'socialism', as there is on a delightful American forum that I have inhabited for quite a few years, which is full of great people despite their divergent political views. Socialism to me, means that no one is denied health care, education and if times are tough financial support. I'm sure it's a misconception but the impression of the US, from abroad is that you can succeed and if that involves treading on the necks of those less fortunate , so be it. As regards Obama I think it would be a tough ask to take over the presidency at the time of major financial meltdown, no matter who was the incumbent.
Ambient and odanny have summed things up rather well. Your interpretation of Socialism fits with everything that I've read over the years, and has nothing to do with the way the label is applied so loosely to either Obama or Liberals. There's no question that the election of President Obama has revealed the depths of racism in this country, or that the internet has proven to be an effective tool for racists to connect and disseminate lies and distortions. I'm afraid that the global reaction to all of this is accurate. Most of us who support President Obama believed that the country was making positive forward steps, but that progress has been greatly diminished through one party refusing to govern as they were elected to do. Instead, they've chosen to encourage the most base of human characteristics. My greatest disappointment is with our "religious leaders," who've had a golden opportunity to use this as a lesson in tolerance and brotherhood, but have instead chosen to either remain silent or actively work with those who espouse hatred...I feel like I woke up and it's 1965 again. ( I have relatives in Mata Mata, btw. )
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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Now granted I don't know the detail of American politics but in reading some of your posts on other threads, they seem to reek hatred! You seem to hate , almost personally, who ever the 'other side' is. When we have an election I vote for one side or the other. I listen to their points of view and try to be reasonably thoughtful in who I vote for. I think most of the 85% who turn out to vote would do the same and there would be a small percentage who vote 'because their dad voted this way' . Even if the party I vote for doesn't win, and I may not like the way they want to go, I always assume it's a difference of opinion and it's their honest attempt to do the right thing not an attempt to 'screw' the population .
US elections seem money centred and very vitriolic. Am I right?
Don't take what you read on this forum as gospel. Most Americans on this forum are extreme partisans, either very liberal or very conservative. Very liberal are actually only 5% of the American electorate, and very conservative are 9%, according to Gallup Poll. But they make up almost 100% of posters on this forum, roughly split 50/50. A plurality of Americans are either center-right or right-wing (40%) with 36% made up of centrists (most of these don't have a party affiliation).

Conservatives Finish 2009 as No. 1 Ideological Group
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: around racist white people
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Now granted I don't know the detail of American politics but in reading some of your posts on other threads, they seem to reek hatred! You seem to hate , almost personally, who ever the 'other side' is. When we have an election I vote for one side or the other. I listen to their points of view and try to be reasonably thoughtful in who I vote for. I think most of the 85% who turn out to vote would do the same and there would be a small percentage who vote 'because their dad voted this way' . Even if the party I vote for doesn't win, and I may not like the way they want to go, I always assume it's a difference of opinion and it's their honest attempt to do the right thing not an attempt to 'screw' the population .
US elections seem money centred and very vitriolic. Am I right?
American politics targets mostly racist idiots or people looking for assistance from the government, that's basically it in a nutshell. Not much love, just ignorance and hate, the biggest offenders are the media who the bible thumping right wing idiots actually think is left wing when the media are just some opportunist who will do anything for rating. Black vs white is always a hot topic in America and the Media is quick to exploit that.

Americans are wayyy to stupid to know better, your average idiot reads a book for four years to get job after that the learning stops period.
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:50 AM
 
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For me, it's less about politics and more about ideology. I happen to believe that the very definition of "self-destruction" is liberalism. Liberalism has done more to destruct the core values of this nation more than any war....foreign or domestic......could have possibly perpetrated on the United States.

Since Democrats are happy to embrace liberalism and quick to apply the "Free Love For All, No Matter The Cost, No Matter The Consequence™ theme in their politics, I happen to believe that Democrats are the scum of the Earth. If they could somehow let go of the evils of liberalism, I wouldn't have much of a problem with Democrats on the whole.
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