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Old 04-10-2012, 04:23 AM
 
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No! You are not a person who "loves" America if you hate the laws of America.

Love it or leave it!

This means YOU!
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No! You are not a person who "loves" America if you hate the laws of America.

Love it or leave it!

This means YOU!
Does that apply to Jim Crow laws?
An unjust law is no law at all.

"When injustice becomes law then resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson
Should he have left?
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:33 AM
 
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No! You are not a person who "loves" America if you hate the laws of America.

Love it or leave it!

This means YOU!
Doesn't it depend on what the laws of a nation are. I am sure some people loved Germany in the 1930's but questioned the laws being enacted and enforced.

Isn't it rather dangerous for a society to just follow laws without question. Surely people have the right to protest against laws they disagree with, it's called democracy.
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Doesn't it depend on what the laws of a nation are. I am sure some people loved Germany in the 1930's but questioned the laws being enacted and enforced.

Isn't it rather dangerous for a society to just follow laws without question. Surely people have the right to protest against laws they disagree with, it's called democracy.

Yes, of course free citizens have the right to change laws if they can. However, that freedom does not extend to a "right" to ignore laws we don't like.

The only thing which supports our great experiment in self-rule is equality before the law and acquiescence to the will of the majority, which is expressed in our laws.

When we come to the point that we refuse to follow the law, or even acknowledge it, and supplant it with OUR version of what the law SHOULD be, we sink into anarchy and our Republic dies.
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:54 AM
 
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Yes, of course free citizens have the right to change laws if they can. However, that freedom does not extend to a "right" to ignore laws we don't like.

The only thing which supports our great experiment in self-rule is equality before the law and acquiescence to the will of the majority, which is expressed in our laws.

When we come to the point that we refuse to follow the law, or even acknowledge it, and supplant it with OUR version of what the law SHOULD be, we sink into anarchy and our Republic dies.
So people in 1930's Germany or in America under racial segregation should have just blindly followed the law. Rosa Parks didn't agree with the law, was she wrong to have broken laws regarding segregation.

Laws can be changed and constitutions are open to interpretation. It is at times up to the people to openly stand up and say that a law is wrong.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"..... Edmund Burke

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Old 04-10-2012, 05:10 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No! You are not a person who "loves" America if you hate the laws of America.

Love it or leave it!

This means YOU!
Unfamiliar with the provision in the Constitution for amendment are ya?

BTW: "America, love it or leave it" was BS RW rhetoric during the '70s, it still is.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Our government was constituted to prevent the "rule of the majority" (mob rule) by being a representative Republic instead of a direct democracy. I believe this to be the most important provision of our Constitution.

America: If you do not like it stick around and change it legally. It may take a while (Equal Rights Amendment) but it can be done.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:25 AM
 
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No! You are not a person who "loves" America if you hate the laws of America.

Love it or leave it!

This means YOU!
Because America is an ideal first and foremost. Laws, especially state laws are someone's interpretation of that ideal. Interpretations can be flawed.

The fact that the interpretations can be scraped when RA realized they are flawed is exact what makes America the best country in the world.

And if you don't like that you leave.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I suggest "alphamale" is the leader of a pack of one. That is easy.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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Because America is an ideal first and foremost. Laws, especially state laws are someone's ation of that ideal. Interpretations can be flawed.

The fact that the interpretations can be scraped when RA realized they are flawed is exact what makes America the best country in the world.

And if you don't like that you leave.
I would suggest the US Constitution itself is open to interpretation, which is why Republicans and Democrats seek to get their own candidates appointed to the Supreme Court.

The Constitution has changed a great deal since it's creation and a lot of the constitution is extremely vague in places and there is also the question as whether to place strict or more loose interpretations of the original contitutions. There are also an array of constitutional amendments and each generation may interpret the constitution differently to the last.
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