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Because one side is poison having grown government employment and the welfare state to toxic levels.
The other side wants small manageable government to make sure we can always care for our elderly and disabled.
Where is the middle ground between socialism/poison and getting back to balanced budgets which is like water.
How much poison do you feed your family in the name of finding middle ground?
Best answer is to retire what is today's Democrat party. These are not the ones called Democrats back in the time of JFK. They are radicals today and are bankrupting us.
I admit the democrats have radicals, but once again, please do not imply that republicans are fair minded and do not imply they care about the elderly and disabled. We have clear groups we care about. GOP cares about the rich people and corporations, liberals care about the poor, and minorities. The fight is for the middle class.
How was it clear, you said ryan's budget was a good idea, and democrats didn't want to discuss it. That seems pretty partisan to me.
Please point out where I said Ryan's plan was good or bad? I have copied my post for you convenience.
"No! it's not impossible, however if people buy into the demagoguery it will be difficult. The Ryan plan is a perfect example of this. The Dems simply want to lie about it to crush it. They deny a problem even exists. The Republicans are afraid to embrace it because they fear the Dem attacks will have traction."
Simply admit you were spoiling for a fight and move along.
Looking at the partisan wars going on today it makes me wonder why in 2012 we cannot take the best ideas from both sides of the isles and formulate the BEST way forward for America.
Both parties have good ideas and bad ideas but it seems that they cannot move in the same direction and that direction is AMERICA.
Getting into power now tops getting America healed and moving forward. Is it IMPOSSIBLE to take pure partisanship out of the mix and put bi partisanship in............ what do you think?
Yes. The key: conflicting interests. And often, bipartisan ideas give us things like Affordable Health Care Reform. Also a good example is Obama's budget proposal being voted down 0-97 in the senate. That might sound like bipartisanship at work, when in reality, it is extremism at work, denouncing a moderate's approach to addressing the problems.
It will take an act of magic, or a serious kick in the rear for the simpletons to wake up. Latter is where the reality is taking us.
A very true statement. When both parties are acting rationally and formulating good policy, our nation progresses. If one party becomes rigidly wedded to a regressive agenda, then we stagnate.
Please point out where I said Ryan's plan was good or bad? I have copied my post for you convenience.
"No! it's not impossible, however if people buy into the demagoguery it will be difficult. The Ryan plan is a perfect example of this. The Dems simply want to lie about it to crush it. They deny a problem even exists. The Republicans are afraid to embrace it because they fear the Dem attacks will have traction."
Simply admit you were spoiling for a fight and move along.
nope, it was a partisan view point. Why did only use ryan as an example, where is the example of republicans doing the samething?
Well we know for certain the Dems have no viable solution and have made horrible financial errors and take no responsibilities for their failure. Additionally the Dems, soley, passed sweeping legislation of which they had no idea of its implications. This alone should be enough to make an informed decision in Nov 2012.
Do you stand with the legislators who find nothing wrong with stating to the electorate, "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?
Remind you of your grandmother who on Christmas day said, well ,let's just see what Santa bought you, let's just open it to see what's in it.
I'm sorry but the German AUSTERITY MEASURES are not working........
They are working, actually. The only reason Germany is in contraction right now is due to the reason that the entire European continent is in recession. Unemployment is still at an two decade low. Sorry, no recession in Germany. German company's just reported dynamic export growth in February.
“Ten years ago, Germany was the ‘sick man of Europe,’” said Holger Schmieding, London-based chief economist at Berenberg Bank, Germany’s oldest bank. Now, “Germany will enjoy a golden decade of more growth and employment with a healthy fiscal balance.”
At some point, people in this country will have to learn to live within their means.
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We can have a nice discussion on the relative merits of German austerity. I suggest you start a thread on it. However we are discussing the fact that neither party has a hold on all the solutions.
I agree. However, I think demagoguery is preventing using the best from both. I used Ryan plan as an example. Regardless of the relative merits, it has been lied about rather than critically discussed.
This is exactly what i'm saying............ For example the UHC question..
I have heard so many outrageous lies about Govt. funded health care that would put anyone off creating a UHC but i know from using a UHC what are lies and what is the truth....... The right's bald faced lies really astonish me. We should be thinking about what problems would be removed by creating a UHC and not what the politicians "chums" would lose in profit if the Insurance companies no longer dictated health in te USA.
Both parties have got to stop using America as their personal "cash cow",
if not then America is going to sink deeper and deeper into a deep hole with everyday Americans as the casualties.
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Neither party has the only solution for America
