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Old 04-11-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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"UPDATE: Wael Elasady, one of the professors of “Revolutionary Marxism: Theory and Practice,“ returned our call and wanted to clarify that students are free to ”apply a Marxist perspective” to any local community/political organization; the list of organizations on the syllabus are simply pre-approved."

Portland State University Offering ‘Revolutionary Marxism,’ Course Where Students Work with Occupy Wall Street | TheBlaze.com

Ahhhh. We can all rest easy tonight. The students can choose any community /political group that will have them in which to do their required Marxist Activism. They are not required to apply their learned Marxist perspectives to these "pre-approved" groups:

Occupy PSU

Students United for Palestinian Equal Rights

Occupy Portland

Portland Boycott-Divestment-Sanctions Coalition (BDS)

Jobs with Justice

the May Day Coalition.


Good to know.

 
Old 04-11-2012, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Problem is, these self-proclaimed Socialist professors are doing more than "teaching about" it. The course syllabus indicates the kids are to go out into the community and apply what they have learned with groups such as Occupy. Big difference.
Not really.

The best way to show that you've understood a policy is to apply it in practice.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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What is the issue here?

Learning is bad or some BS outrage?
 
Old 04-11-2012, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Therefore not Marxist.
It came from him so it's his.

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Not really.
Then provide an example where it hasn't.

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Humans are idiots.
Oh bull****. Marx is an idiot because he came up with a theory that will never work because he tried to treat people as if they have a hive mind. His theory requires people to go against there human nature. This requires his system to be forced unto people turning them into serfs.

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THe theory, if practiced properly, leads to a literal utopia.
Well considering its been tried many times and lead to the same conclusion I'd rule it as failure to achieve what it claims.

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Human greed and idiocy, however, makes such a thing impossible.
No it's call not wanting to be just like everyone else which Marx dumbass never understood. If he did he wouldn't have advocated such an idiotic thing as pure equality.

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Old 04-11-2012, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Students have a right to take the classes that they want, especially as they are paying for those classes. Universities have the right to offer the classes they think are worthwhile. If students don't fine an elective worthwhile, they won't enroll, and the class will be cancelled. Pretty simply
So our tax dollars should fund Nazism as well?

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You don't think that the misapplications of Marxism in various societies are covered in history classes and whatnot?
What misapplications? Those that tried implementing Marx ideals came to there logical conclusion with the state being in complete control run by a few people. That's not a misapplication that is what happens when you try to have pure equality.

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I love when people talk about all those radicals in universities. The 1960s are long gone from American campuses, including most of the radical faculty.
Those idiot radicals from the 60's live on though in the brainwashed college students who are now professors that they taught.

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Just admit that you don't understand what it means to use a theory as a frame of analysis. It's painfully clear that you and others don't get.
What you don't get is that an opinion of Marxist is about useless since the theory they follow is about as useful for governing as a submarine with screen doors...in other words its useless.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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The best way to show that you've understood a policy is to apply it in practice.
Most institutions of higher learning will usually settle for a paper or a written examination. At least that's my experience.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 11:41 PM
 
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You just know it all, don't you. Probably never read any theory. Probably never done any theoretical analysis. Probably don't know how to use a theory as a framework of study. But regardless, you just know it all, don't you.
What I do know, is that the answer to these questions posed in the OP article, is "highly unlikely."

" With socialist professors and mandated participation with leftist groups, is the other side being presented at all?"

"Moreover, would Portland State University allow a “Limited Government: Theory and Practice“ course where students were forced to make a ”connection” with Tea Partiers and the NRA?
"


Portland State University Offering ‘Revolutionary Marxism,’ Course Where Students Work with Occupy Wall Street | TheBlaze.com
 
Old 04-11-2012, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Not really.

The best way to show that you've understood a policy is to apply it in practice.
So you want to teach kids complete and utter failure then?
 
Old 04-11-2012, 11:57 PM
 
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" With socialist professors and mandated participation with leftist groups, is the other side being presented at all?"
I don't know why I didn't do this earlier, I guess I'm getting lazy.

The courses referenced on the Blaze refer to classes being taught not by Portland State University faculty but rather by both undergraduate and graduate students who propose classes that they would like to teach. It is a unique program that with in the context of academic freedom allows qualified students the opportunity to teach.

Classes offered by the program are all over the place, so, it would appear that if the Young Republicans or some tea-party affiliated student would like to offer to teach a class in the Art of Right Wing Talk Show Hosting, with the requirement of listening to Rush Limbaugh all semester it would be quite feasible.

The Chiron Studies website;

Portland State Chiron Studies | About Chiron Studies

Courses offered:

Portland State Chiron Studies | Spring 2012 Chiron Studies Courses (http://pdx.edu/chiron/spring-2012-chiron-studies-courses - broken link)

In short, as one would expect, much ado about nothing.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:36 AM
 
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I don't know why I didn't do this earlier, I guess I'm getting lazy.

The courses referenced on the Blaze refer to classes being taught not by Portland State University faculty but rather by both undergraduate and graduate students who propose classes that they would like to teach. It is a unique program that with in the context of academic freedom allows qualified students the opportunity to teach.

Classes offered by the program are all over the place, so, it would appear that if the Young Republicans or some tea-party affiliated student would like to offer to teach a class in the Art of Right Wing Talk Show Hosting, with the requirement of listening to Rush Limbaugh all semester it would be quite feasible.

The Chiron Studies website;

Portland State Chiron Studies | About Chiron Studies

Courses offered:

Portland State Chiron Studies | Spring 2012 Chiron Studies Courses (http://pdx.edu/chiron/spring-2012-chiron-studies-courses - broken link)

In short, as one would expect, much ado about nothing.
Yes. Well, I'm still not convinced the Young Republican/Tea Party Classes would pass the muster of necessary faculty/Committee approval and fit in among these other fine classes being offered through the PSU Chiron Studies:

Art Within Activism (4 credits)

Flood of Change: Vanport: Portland History Through a Social Justice Lens (4 credits)

History & Theory of Anarchism (4 credits)

Revolutionary Marxism: Theory & Practice (4 credits)

http://pdx.edu/chiron/spring-2012-chiron-studies-courses (broken link)

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