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Most Ivy League universities have been contaminated with Marxism for a long time now.
Wow! I remember one self-proclaimed Marxist professor at Cornell but he was denied tenure as a result (although even conservative students voted him professor of the year).
The other thing that I remember from my days high (sometimes literally) above Cuyahoga's waters, was how not a single department owning-up to Marx (that's Karl) as being a part of their discipline. The history department referred to him as a political scientist, the poly sci department referred to him as an economist and the econ department (Mostly Chicago School adherents) referred to him as a philosopher, and the philosophy department is is still thinking about it. So I must have missed the contamination.
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It is unbelievable that there are people out who "pay" or better yet, borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars to be indoctrinated and trained to regurgitate all this BS
There's that indoctrinated meme again...
Anyway, as any college graduate would know, looking for an easy four credit course to fill out your out of discipline requirements is a time honored art and if I were predisposed to left wing activism, some of these course would fill the bill nicely especially if other courses are closed out and would require me to spend another damned semester of fees and tuition to graduate.
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There is definitely a lot of stupid people in our society.
I don't understand the need to offer such courses, let alone waste taxpayer dollars to fund them, when they could be used elsewhere. These profs should have majored in something else, rather than getting PhDs in History or PoliSci, and furthermore focusing on Marxism. Sheez.
America ALREADY is a socialist country. I learned that senior year of HS. When the teacher asked what kind of economy we had, students answered a "pure free-market economy." He pointed out otherwise. When a government makes transfer payments, for social security, disability and the like, that country's economy is, by definition, a socialist economy.
Wow! I remember one self-proclaimed Marxist professor at Cornell but he was denied tenure as a result (although even conservative students voted him professor of the year).
The other thing that I remember from my days high (sometimes literally) above Cuyahoga's waters
Of course, you are a group think type of person, instead of challenging these loser Marxist professors, you were probably kissing their asses, so fascinated with their BS propaganda, probably asking them if you could polish their apples, you spent all this money to become nothing more than a little Marxist puppet, a group think drone!
I don't have a problem with most of your post, it is your polemics because they are not particularly egregious. What I do have a problem with is this meme that that college age students are as malleable and incapable of critical thought as such an argument would lead one to believe. And as the father of a college student I can testify, without equivocation, that they are not, especially with when it comes to their malleability - trust me, I have 20 years of experience in that regard.
Marxist target college kids because a lot of them come fresh out of high school lacking a lot of real world experience and are easy to manipulate. If you are older when going to college as I was Professor's even admit there lack of ability to influence you since you have already started to form your own opinions about the world. It's not that you are close minded its that you have for lack of a better term "been around the block before". Unlike younger kids going straight into college with a lack of real world experience.
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With regards to the classes that you find offensive, if that is the right word, I suspect that the students who will be enrolling in these elective classes will come predisposed to the courses content, although there could be a few students who hold contrarian, or ambivalent views who will enroll in the class for the just the fun of it. But, no one is being forced to take these classes and there certainly is little deception in the course descriptions.
Or it could be they need credits and the other courses were booked up for the semester so they take this one to get there credits and graduate faster. As far as being predisposed to Marxism goes that just goes back to my point about the professors being preachers and not trying to teach about the real world application of marxism since its applications have been less then stellar. Instead all your going to get is the "evils of capitalism" making the class more like a religious sermon then higher education since questioning what you are learning is not going to be taught.
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So what is the objection to the institution granting such educational freedom to both the student teachers or the students, who as I mentioned, are predisposed to the subject matter?
Because its not teaching encouraging you to question what you are learning its a religious sermon acting like its teaching.
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As far as I can tell your objection is based upon your disagreement with the subject matter and perhaps the fact that the "other side" isn't being presented.
My objection is that its propaganda being funded by tax dollars and a course not worthy of higher education because it's not going to have students question what they are learning.
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Well I hate to point this out, but elective courses regardless of subject are not always about objectivity, it is assumed that is the roll for students, to weigh the material presented, apply their own critical thinking and walk way with more knowledge than they walked in with.
The problem with this as I already pointed out is that if you take the course wanting to "challenge the professors and marx" you are most likely going to fail the course since its not about learning it's about indoctrination.
So a Catholic professor can't teach a class on Martin Luther, or on Calvinism, or on Hinduism or Buddhism or Taoism or on the Church of England or Henry VIII or Evangelicalism. Because if a Catholic professor teaches anything that touches on religion, the class is all about indoctrination?
Difference here is catholism is a religion that while having a shady past hasn't killed nearly as many people as followers of Marx has and threatened the world with nuclear war and repeatedly failed at what it claimed to due creating a "classless equal society". That is the major difference.
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And we'll need to know exactly what school of thought all the teachers in the Psychology program follow, right? Because we wouldn't want any behaviorists teaching a class on Freud; obviously they just want to indoctrinate students. And what particular economic theories do the economics professors ascribe to? Wouldn't want any Keynesians trying to indoctrinate anyone.
Your deflecting instead of admitting the painfully obvious. The difference between behaviorist teaching a class on Freud is that you can at least question them when they state something as fact without worrying about being failed. The same goes for your economist examples.
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And if the sociology teacher actually talks about Whyte in the real world, then the quantitative sociologists should move for disciplinary measures. Because we don't want to talk about when sociological analysis that is narrative in style is actually used to describe sociological phenomena. We only want statistical analysis, right?
Again, you can at least question them when they state something as fact without worrying about being failed.
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Your assumption that "these professors are going to be preaching nothing more nothing less" is not a fact.
It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't blind.
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It's an example of how your bias and prejudice obscures your vision of reality.
This coming from a defender of communism? Talk about irony.
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I can assure you that socialist teachers can teach students about capitalism, the good and the bad, without indoctrinating anyone.
Never seen it happen and yes I had to deal with socialist professors before and they were all about shoving there beliefs down your throat without you being able to question them.
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And those same socialists can teach students about world history or philosophy or dialectical materialism.
While shoving there beliefs down your throat no doubt.
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And the students, they aren't mindless idiots
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They aren't mindless but most of them are idiots since when you are young and lack experience you tend to be an idiot.
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Some of the best arguments I've ever had have been in classrooms with teachers and students exchanging ideas and opinions.
Me to but that is not what we are seeing here.
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Just like on this forum, people don't change their minds at the whim of others. People can and do think for themselves. Even, or especially, in college.
Actually I'd say they learn how to lie more than anything since if they tell a professor who is really just a preacher what they truly think about his or her opinions they would fail the course.
You do realize the US funded public education before Marx was born right?
What does this have to do with a plank in the Communist Manifesto? Am I supposed to leave off the last point because the US already had many public schools?
What does this have to do with a plank in the Communist Manifesto? Am I supposed to leave off the last point because the US already had many public schools?
The point is it was claimed that Marx is the reason for public education when that clearly isn't the case. A little reading would've helped you understand why I made that comment.
Difference here is catholism is a religion that while having a shady past hasn't killed nearly as many people as followers of Marx has and threatened the world with nuclear war and repeatedly failed at what it claimed to due creating a "classless equal society". That is the major difference.
Your deflecting instead of admitting the painfully obvious. The difference between behaviorist teaching a class on Freud is that you can at least question them when they state something as fact without worrying about being failed. The same goes for your economist examples.
Again, you can at least question them when they state something as fact without worrying about being failed.
It's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't blind.
This coming from a defender of communism? Talk about irony.
Never seen it happen and yes I had to deal with socialist professors before and they were all about shoving there beliefs down your throat without you being able to question them.
While shoving there beliefs down your throat no doubt.
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They aren't mindless but most of them are idiots since when you are young and lack experience you tend to be an idiot.
Me to but that is not what we are seeing here.
Actually I'd say they learn how to lie more than anything since if they tell a professor who is really just a preacher what they truly think about his or her opinions they would fail the course.
Religious indoctrination is not the same as philosophical indoctrination. Gotcha!
I'm sorry you have such a poor opinion of American students. I personally don't think we're doing enough for them before they get to college to prepare them for college or the real world, but I think they're bright and hard-working and interested and engaged, certainly not suffering from the idiocy you claim.
Your PREDICTION of something as obviously going to happen indicates you must be psychic. I assume you've won the lottery, too. Because you seem to have keen powers of foresight that the rest of us don't have. Good for you!
Oh, and, I'm not a defender of communism. I'm a defender of education. As I pointed out earlier, I think people who advocate for ignorance are troubled. I personally prefer knowledge and understanding.
Religious indoctrination is not the same as philosophical indoctrination. Gotcha!
If you take a class about theology its obvious you are going to learn about religion. Also the difference between taking a theology class and class on Marxism is that you can question religion in the theology class where as Marxist hate being question.
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I'm sorry you have such a poor opinion of American students.
It's actually world wide not just American college students that's why marxist target college kids around the world.
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I personally don't think we're doing enough for them before they get to college to prepare them for college or the real world, but I think they're bright and hard-working and interested and engaged, certainly not suffering from the idiocy you claim.
There is a difference between intelligence and experience college kids tend to lack experience. The idiocy part comes from the fact as you get older and look back on your youth you can positively state you did some rather stupid things if you are being honest with yourself. Age generally does bring some wisdom along with it.
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Your PREDICTION of something as obviously going to happen indicates you must be psychic. I assume you've won the lottery, too. Because you seem to have keen powers of foresight that the rest of us don't have. Good for you!
My prediction comes from the fact I've dealt with marxists before and they preach they don't teach and hate being questioned. This course is specifically designed to allow them to preach marxism which is plainly obvious.
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Oh, and, I'm not a defender of communism. I'm a defender of education. As I pointed out earlier, I think people who advocate for ignorance are troubled. I personally prefer knowledge and understanding.
That is not what you are going to get here. It's indoctrination disguised as education.
If you take a class about theology its obvious you are going to learn about religion. Also the difference between taking a theology class and class on Marxism is that you can question religion in the theology class where as Marxist hate being question.
It's actually world wide not just American college students that's why marxist target college kids around the world.
There is a difference between intelligence and experience college kids tend to lack experience. The idiocy part comes from the fact as you get older and look back on your youth you can positively state you did some rather stupid things if you are being honest with yourself. Age generally does bring some wisdom along with it.
My prediction comes from the fact I've dealt with marxists before and they preach they don't teach and hate being questioned. This course is specifically designed to allow them to preach marxism which is plainly obvious.
That is not what you are going to get here. It's indoctrination disguised as education.
Marxists hate being questioned? Says you?
My experience has been that professors love being questioned. Love the thought-provoking discussions in classrooms where students are interested and engaged.
Your experience with Marxists is what??
I can honestly say I've never come across any Marxists in real life. Communists, yes. Socialists, yes. Marxists, no. Because Marxism as Marx envisioned it has never existed.
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This coming from a defender of communism? Talk about irony.