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Old 04-12-2012, 10:48 AM
 
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Who got hired in the position instead? How did the two of them interview? Was it a really hard decision? Or was the one who got hired clearly the better candidate during the interview?
If the so called better candidate always ends up being liberal, there is a work place bias that needs to be repaired.
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Old 04-15-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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Yes, I think the ruling was wrong. It's perfectly ok to think whatever you want, but don't expect society to accept and support you independently of your thoughts.
But, this is a publicly funded University, do you really think its fine for schools to blacklist Conservatives and provide a biased education for public school students? (And they do. And not just at this University. Interesting, eye opening article below from the NYT)

" Some of the world’s pre-eminent experts on bias discovered an unexpected form of it at their annual meeting."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.html
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Old 04-15-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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If the so called better candidate always ends up being liberal, there is a work place bias that needs to be repaired.
And they do. And there is. And, indeed, it does.


"Some of the world’s pre-eminent experts on bias discovered an unexpected form of it at their annual meeting."

"The politics of the professoriate has been studied by the economists Christopher Cardiff and Daniel Klein and the sociologists Neil Gross and Solon Simmons. They’ve independently found that Democrats typically outnumber Republicans at elite universities by at least six to one among the general faculty, and by higher ratios in the humanities and social sciences. In a 2007 study of both elite and non-elite universities, Dr. Gross and Dr. Simmons reported that nearly 80 percent of psychology professors are Democrats, outnumbering Republicans by nearly 12 to 1.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.html
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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I guess liberals are simply much more likely to study certain subjects such as humanities and social sciences. Actually, I assume liberals outnumber conservatives in almost any academic subject, except maybe theology and a few others, not just in the US, but worldwide. In many sciences for instance certain views that conservative people tend to have (especially religious ones) are not really compatible.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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I guess liberals are simply much more likely to study certain subjects such as humanities and social sciences. Actually, I assume liberals outnumber conservatives in almost any academic subject, except maybe theology and a few others, not just in the US, but worldwide. In many sciences for instance certain views that conservative people tend to have (especially religious ones) are not really compatible.
No. Its not simply chance or any other nonsense. Read the article from the New York Times by a well-recognized expert in the field of BIAS. Conservatives are the new minority in Universities because they are discriminated against.


(Regarding Discrimination against Conservatives)
"It was identified by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who studies the intuitive foundations of morality and ideology. He polled his audience at the San Antonio Convention Center, starting by asking how many considered themselves politically liberal. A sea of hands appeared, and Dr. Haidt estimated that liberals made up 80 percent of the 1,000 psychologists in the ballroom. When he asked for centrists and libertarians, he spotted fewer than three dozen hands. And then, when he asked for conservatives, he counted a grand total of three."

This is a statistically impossible lack of diversity,” Dr. Haidt concluded, noting polls showing that 40 percent of Americans are conservative and 20 percent are liberal. In his speech and in an interview, Dr. Haidt argued that social psychologists are a “tribal-moral community” united by “sacred values” that hinder research and damage their credibility — and blind them to the hostile climate they’ve created for non-liberals."


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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.html
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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So she is whining because the University of Iowa hired her for one position and then she somehow feels entitled to a different position once she is working there. If the law school cared about her politics, why would they have hired her in the first place?

Additionally, why would the college waste a faculty position on someone who is already at the institution? Internal hires of those who are in a non-faculty position to a faculty position are notoriously difficult. Not to mention this woman also graduated from the Univ. of Iowa. Even more rare for a program to hire one of its alums. Given that she had a teaching position at George Mason, she was nuts to give it up for a non-teaching position at University of Iowa.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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No. Its not simply chance or any other nonsense. Read the article from the New York Times by a well-recognized expert in the field of BIAS. Conservatives are the new minority in Universities because they are discriminated against.


(Regarding Discrimination against Conservatives)
"It was identified by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who studies the intuitive foundations of morality and ideology. He polled his audience at the San Antonio Convention Center, starting by asking how many considered themselves politically liberal. A sea of hands appeared, and Dr. Haidt estimated that liberals made up 80 percent of the 1,000 psychologists in the ballroom. When he asked for centrists and libertarians, he spotted fewer than three dozen hands. And then, when he asked for conservatives, he counted a grand total of three."

This is a statistically impossible lack of diversity,” Dr. Haidt concluded, noting polls showing that 40 percent of Americans are conservative and 20 percent are liberal. In his speech and in an interview, Dr. Haidt argued that social psychologists are a “tribal-moral community” united by “sacred values” that hinder research and damage their credibility — and blind them to the hostile climate they’ve created for non-liberals."


(emphasis added)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.html
I don't buy that notion. Either, there are as many conservatives studying any subject as there are liberals, and later on most of the conservative graduates are either unemployed, or employed, but too weak to admit their being conservative, which would be odd given they are not in the minority. Or, academics simply is much more attractive to liberals to begin with, which is my point of view.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:48 AM
 
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I don't buy that notion. Either, there are as many conservatives studying any subject as there are liberals, and later on most of the conservative graduates are either unemployed, or employed, but too weak to admit their being conservative, which would be odd given they are not in the minority. Or, academics simply is much more attractive to liberals to begin with, which is my point of view.
And liberals accuse conservatives of being blind and not seeing facts. You simply refuse to believe that some groups of liberals are just as hateful, biased and exclusionary as any other radical group.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see." It's funny, your post fits exactly the definition of that idiom at Free Dictionary.

There's none so blind as those who will not see - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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There's none so blind as those who will not see.
Prov. You cannot make someone pay attention to something that he or she does not want to notice. (Used often to upbraid someone for being unwilling to notice what you are trying call attention to.) Mother: This is the fifth time our daughter has been arrested for shoplifting. Don't you think we ought to seek some kind of help for her? Father: Our girl would never shoplift. I'm sure all those arrests were just some kind of mistake. Mother: There's none so blind as those who will not see.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:48 AM
 
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Who got hired in the position instead? How did the two of them interview? Was it a really hard decision? Or was the one who got hired clearly the better candidate during the interview?

would it really matter? if the womans interview was not even considered because of her political leanings?

would democrats be more inclined to believe her if she would have been a minority and republican?
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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would it really matter? if the womans interview was not even considered because of her political leanings?

would democrats be more inclined to believe her if she would have been a minority and republican?
I'd be more inclined to believe her if she hadn't already been hired for a different position in the law school.
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