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Old 04-14-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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Oh yeah, I forgot, he did sign that "anti gun" law allowing loaded guns in National Parks. Yep, pretty much an anti gun President!
come on Bob, he's an artist when this topic comes up:

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Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.
Q: But what do you support?
A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.
Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?
A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to\ come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

See the last answer. How can you simlmultaneously support "regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms" and support DC in the efforts to suppress that right?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:06 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Oh yeah, I forgot, he did sign that "anti gun" law allowing loaded guns in National Parks. Yep, pretty much an anti gun President!
in parks the only people with loaded guns are rangers on the take and the pot farmers who take care of the crops there. occasionally a dumb visitor comes in armed but he is quickly disarmed by the corrupt rangers. u gota take care of those gang bang pot farmers who seem to own our "public lands".
i love the posts on the spotless innocent young award winning scholar on his way back from church on the hood, who stoops down to pick up something on the sidewalk which turns out to be a joint, swooped down upon by the devil KKK cops and jailed forwever. does not sound like the residents in jails i know, the inmates have case reports a foot thick from juvi hall before they ever set foot in jail.
the reason u gota stand your ground law problem is bek u gota rotten kid problem. starts in k12 and home. deal with that and u wont need gun laws. u wont need bigger jails.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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The problem with these SYG laws coming into effect, you best be real careful about getting into an argument with a stranger, he could kill you in a flash and just say you threatened him and get away with murder. Many already have.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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The problem with these SYG laws coming into effect, you best be real careful about getting into an argument with a stranger, he could kill you in a flash and just say you threatened him and get away with murder. Many already have.
Please provide some verifiable examples of the many that already have.

Projections about arguments turning into gunfights are the same as those used by the anti-gun crowd when objecting to concealed carry. "Blood will run in the streets and once peaceful cities will turn into the wild west". Statistics fail to support those projections.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You are missing the bigger picture. The anti-gun crowd are not interested in reducing crime. That is just the straw-man argument they use. They understand, as do the vast majority of the pro-gun crowd, that they cannot achieve their socialist fascist objective while there is an armed populace. As usual, this is a matter of control, not crime.


of course not, those that want massive disarming gun control only want the law abiding citizens disarmed so that if something is passed that the law abiding really dont want, there is no way for them to really do anything about it.
plus I do believe that alot of politicians just dont like the Jefferson quote concerning goverment at all either.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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The problem with these SYG laws coming into effect, you best be real careful about getting into an argument with a stranger, he could kill you in a flash and just say you threatened him and get away with murder. Many already have.
What is preventing someone from doing this no matter what the law is? Nothing of course. Again in states without the castle doctrine you have a duty to retreat, it potentially criminalizes the decisions a victim might make which is absurd. In either case with or without the castle doctrine you can make the false accusation that you were threatened and feared for your life.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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What is preventing someone from doing this now? Nothing of course. Again in states without the castle doctrine you have a duty to retreat, it potentially criminalizes the decisions a victim might make which is absurd. In either case with or without the castle doctrine you can make the false accusation that you were threatened and feared for your life.

I look at the castle doctrine like this. if someone is breaking into your home, they are not there for your well being and should be shot dead.

I am glad that Wisconsin now has ccw and castle doctrine.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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I look at the castle doctrine like this. if someone is breaking into your home, they are not there for your well being and should be shot dead.
Without the castle doctrine under such circumstances the possibility of being charged is minimal but the potential is still there. You only need one jackass in the DA's office and you the victim are now the criminal. Under such circumstances the last thing you should be concerned about is what your escape route might be and if you can legally shoot the scumbag.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Without the castle doctrine under such circumstances the possibility of being charged is minimal but the potential is still there. You only need one jackass in the DA's office and you the victim are now the criminal. Under such circumstances the last thing you should be concerned about is what your escape route might be and if you can legally shoot the scumbag.

I look at it this way, if the scumbag is breaking into my home, then he is leaving in a bodybag.
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Old 04-14-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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This comes from a guy that has bodyguards, lives in a high secure condo. Who is he to tell anyone else how to protect themselves.
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