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View Poll Results: Are these "catch" words spread by the right wing media used only to program and mislead pe
Big time 42 49.41%
To an extent 5 5.88%
Slightly/not really 4 4.71%
Not at all, Obama is a communist/marxist/socialist 34 40.00%
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-13-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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Fear leads to descent, paranoia, hatred.

It's a very much tried and tested formula used to colonise nations from afar, to conqure and divide.

This deception however is used clearly by the far right movement of the republican party, ie extremist splinter groups (baggers, aryan nation). Hard believe republicans will standly idly by and let themselves be hijacked this way.

Like from the words of santorum "sold out on his principles", your making a deal with the devil here just so you can control people. But understand, there is always a price!

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Old 04-13-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Fear leads to descent, paranoia, hatred.

It's a very much tried and tested formula used to colonise nations from afar, to conqure and divide.

This deception however is used clearly by the far right movement of the republican party, ie extremist splinter groups (baggers, aryan nation). Hard believe republicans will standly idly by and let themselves be hijacked this way.

Like from the words of santorum "sold out on his principles", your making a deal with the devil here just so you can control people. But understand, there is always a price!

You have obviously not read history and have been duped. The tools of political correctness, revisionist history, and alteration of the meaning of words is a tool of THE LEFT.

ESSENTIALLY 100% of the TYRANNICAL AND OPPRESSIVE REGIMES of the current century and the 19th-20th centuries have been FROM THE LEFT AND ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST REGIMES. The Nazis and Fascists of WW2 are the only exception. Using the "example" of ww2 (which is the exception to the rule), the communists have duped the "useful idiots" of the left to presume that tyranny comes from the right. Quite the opposite is true.

Wake up- communism/socialism is an authoritarian doctrine which desires to enslave the populace. This has been the case in EVERY situation in which it has been implemented. The seeds of communism are sown in the minds of fools who would sacrifice personal liberty in the quest for personal gain that they have failed to obtain in a level playing field.

Wake up. What do you think men died for in the American Revolution? The RIGHT to be free, not the guarantee of personal wealth, despite individual effort and circumstance. You are a fool if you trade liberty for the promise of "equality" under socialism/communism and become a slave.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Normal
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Ok, I'll bite.

How, exactly is Obama a Communist? Give examples. Punctuation counts. Discuss.
You will not get an educated response from those who believe it because there is none.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:18 AM
 
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You will not get an educated response from those who believe it because there is none.
lol that is true, but it is great comedy from those trying to somehow explain it
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Pa
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One thing I've noticed in the past few years are the uprising of many "catch" words like the "marxist/communist/socialist" thrown around by those on the right to describe anyone they disagree with, seemingly to replace the classic "liberal"
Beck seems (or use to be before he got fired at fox) to be the leader in spreading these simple catch phrases to the masses. By using these "scary" sounding words, it seems to rile up these followers to bring out even more hatred, hostility, and even in some cases violence against others that also do not completely agree with their strong right views.
It's be debunked beyond belief that for example their favorite target Obama is no where near being any of those catch phrases, but the right still believes them.
Just about like :
Neocon
racist
sexist
religious fanatic
All used to describe anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Obama or big gov.
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Old 04-14-2012, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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You have obviously not read history and have been duped. The tools of political correctness, revisionist history, and alteration of the meaning of words is a tool of THE LEFT.

ESSENTIALLY 100% of the TYRANNICAL AND OPPRESSIVE REGIMES of the current century and the 19th-20th centuries have been FROM THE LEFT AND ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST REGIMES. The Nazis and Fascists of WW2 are the only exception.
What a false statement. Don't accuse other people of "obviously not reading history" when it's clear you didn't. Subtract from your 100% the following list of right-wing dictators of Europe from the 20th Century, which is a majority:

Country
Years of rule
Dictator(s)


Albania
1922–1939
Zog

Austria
1934–1938
Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg

Azerbaijan
1993–present
Heydar Aliyev, Ilham Aliyev

Bulgaria
1923–1926
1934–1945
Aleksandar Tsankov
Kimon Georgiev, Boris III, Kiril

Croatia
1941–1945
1990–1999
Ante Pavelić
Franjo Tuđman

Cyprus
1974
Nikos Sampson

Czech Republic
1938–1939
1939–1945
Jan Syrový, Emil Hácha
Emil Hácha

Estonia
1934–1940
Konstantin Päts

France
1940–1944
Philippe Pétain

Georgia
1995–2003
Eduard Shevardnadze

Germany
1933–1945
Adolf Hitler, Karl Dönitz

Greece
1925–1926
1936–1941
1941–1944
1967–1974
Theodoros Pangalos
Ioannis Metaxas
Georgios Tsolakoglou, Konstantinos Logothetopoulos, Ioannis Rallis
Georgios Papadopoulos

Hungary
1944–1945
Ferenc Szálasi

Italy
1923–1945
1943–1945
Benito Mussolini, Pietro Badoglio, Ivanoe Bonomi
Benito Mussolini

Latvia
1934–1940
Kārlis Ulmanis

Lithuania
1926–1940
Antanas Smetona

Netherlands
1940–1945 Anton Mussert

Norway
1940–1945
Vidkun Quisling

Poland
1926–1939
Józef Piłsudski, Edward Rydz-Śmigły

Portugal
1915
1917–1918
1926–1933
1933–1974
Joaquim Pimenta de Castro
Sidónio Pais
Óscar Carmona
António de Oliveira Salazar, Marcelo Caetano

Romania
1938–1940
1940–1941
1941–1944
Carol II
Ion Antonescu with Horia Sima
Ion Antonescu

Slovakia
1939–1945
1994–1998
Jozef Tiso
Vladimír Mečiar

Spain
1923–1930
1939–1975
Miguel Primo de Rivera
Francisco Franco

I didn't even include all the Latin American dictators and juntas.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Yes, it is a result of the dittohead revolution. Whatever Rush or Glenn or Sean or Ann says millions of people will parrot endlessly, and instead of pursuing some real reading, they will hit the talk radio/ blog crack pipe to get another shot of outrage.

The purge of the moderate republicans is part of the same pattern. If you are not for us, you are the ENEMY!!!!!!! Socialist/marxist/communist are just insults for the small minded.

Funny thing is, the pattern of irrational intolerance, rejection of compromise, and relentless pursuit of power by money, religion, and military groups on the right does smack me as more and more fascist. I would never have said that bout GWB, as much as I disliked him as president. But Cheney and the current Tea Party types (who are well represented on the forum) seem to fit the type very closely. They seem to show no respect for their fellow citizens or the world of facts. It is all about propaganda and grabbing power. That sounds fascist to me. Not saying Romney is like that, but for example the lady who said "pretend it's Obama" to Santorum at the shooting range, fit the type.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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What a false statement. Don't accuse other people of "obviously not reading history" when it's clear you didn't. Subtract from your 100% the following list of right-wing dictators of Europe from the 20th Century, which is a majority:

Country
Years of rule
Dictator(s)


Albania
1922–1939
Zog

Austria
1934–1938
Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg

Azerbaijan
1993–present
Heydar Aliyev, Ilham Aliyev

Bulgaria
1923–1926
1934–1945
Aleksandar Tsankov
Kimon Georgiev, Boris III, Kiril

Croatia
1941–1945
1990–1999
Ante Pavelić
Franjo Tuđman

Cyprus
1974
Nikos Sampson

Czech Republic
1938–1939
1939–1945
Jan Syrový, Emil Hácha
Emil Hácha

Estonia
1934–1940
Konstantin Päts

France
1940–1944
Philippe Pétain

Georgia
1995–2003
Eduard Shevardnadze

Germany
1933–1945
Adolf Hitler, Karl Dönitz

Greece
1925–1926
1936–1941
1941–1944
1967–1974
Theodoros Pangalos
Ioannis Metaxas
Georgios Tsolakoglou, Konstantinos Logothetopoulos, Ioannis Rallis
Georgios Papadopoulos

Hungary
1944–1945
Ferenc Szálasi

Italy
1923–1945
1943–1945
Benito Mussolini, Pietro Badoglio, Ivanoe Bonomi
Benito Mussolini

Latvia
1934–1940
Kārlis Ulmanis

Lithuania
1926–1940
Antanas Smetona

Netherlands
1940–1945 Anton Mussert

Norway
1940–1945
Vidkun Quisling

Poland
1926–1939
Józef Piłsudski, Edward Rydz-Śmigły

Portugal
1915
1917–1918
1926–1933
1933–1974
Joaquim Pimenta de Castro
Sidónio Pais
Óscar Carmona
António de Oliveira Salazar, Marcelo Caetano

Romania
1938–1940
1940–1941
1941–1944
Carol II
Ion Antonescu with Horia Sima
Ion Antonescu

Slovakia
1939–1945
1994–1998
Jozef Tiso
Vladimír Mečiar

Spain
1923–1930
1939–1975
Miguel Primo de Rivera
Francisco Franco

I didn't even include all the Latin American dictators and juntas.
Great post! You won't find those facts from any right wing propaganda outlet
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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One thing I've noticed in the past few years are the uprising of many "catch" words like the "marxist/communist/socialist" thrown around by those on the right to describe anyone they disagree with, seemingly to replace the classic "liberal"
Beck seems (or use to be before he got fired at fox) to be the leader in spreading these simple catch phrases to the masses. By using these "scary" sounding words, it seems to rile up these followers to bring out even more hatred, hostility, and even in some cases violence against others that also do not completely agree with their strong right views.
It's be debunked beyond belief that for example their favorite target Obama is no where near being any of those catch phrases, but the right still believes them.
President Obama would have a lot less opposition and we would hear a lot less of those catch words if:

1. He ever made the slightest acknowledgement of the necessary role of profit in rewarding those who provide the rest of us with the products and services we need desire.

2. He ever spoke the word "profit" as if it were the source of centuries of American progress and prosperity, instead of a dirty word.

3. He renounced the idea that profits are money that is stolen from consumers.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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President Obama would have a lot less opposition and we would hear a lot less of those catch words if:

1. He ever made the slightest acknowledgement of the necessary role of profit in rewarding those who provide the rest of us with the products and services we need desire.
There is no reason to "reward" those that are sending our jobs overseas and making ridiculous profit margins, at the expensive of screwing over america and the middle class.

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2. He ever spoke the word "profit" as if it were the source of centuries of American progress and prosperity, instead of a dirty word.
No he hasn't. Obama very much supports a strong middle class and small businesses. The greedy right wing machine is out for nothing but profits, more profits, mountains of government handouts, and to hell with the nation and middle class, which is very dirty.

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3. He renounced the idea that profits are money that is stolen from consumers.
Every job sent overseas, or slashing pay to a middle class american for the big corporations own filthy greed is the equivalent of taking food off the table of a hard working american.
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